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Plain Podman systemd integration is way more powerful and secure, as it does not mess with firewall and allows to run rootless containers using services. It's e

Plain Podman systemd integration is way more powerful and secure, as it does not mess with firewall and allows to run rootless containers using services. It's even possible to run healthchecks and enforce building images just before starting service making on-demand containers using systemd-proxyd possible. Check example: https://github.com/Mati365/hetzner-podman-bunjs-deploy https://github.com/Mati365/hetzner-podman-bunjs-deploy

petcat 2y ago
> way more powerful and secure I don't care about powerful. That's the opposite of what I want. I could just use k8s if I cared about that.
- mati365 2y ago
  It looks like you don't even care about opening documentation before pressing reply. Podman is a simple hammer without any moving parts, that used properly can be used to build fancy stuff without much knowledge.
  - petcat 2y ago
    I'm aware of what Podman and Systemd are. Apparently you are not aware of what Kamal is. Open documentation, then press reply.
    - woleium 2y ago
      Be nice folks, we are all here to learn :)
ngrilly 2y ago
Does it support zero downtime deploys?
- mati365 2y ago
  Why not? Install trafeik or any other load balancer, setup two services, and restart one after one.
  - FridgeSeal 2y ago
    Ah yes my favourite thing to have to do, rolling my own deploys and rollbacks. It’s stuff like this that’s just a thousand papercuts that dissuades me from using these “simpler” tools. By the time you’ve rebuilt by hand what you need, you’ve just created a worse version of the “more complex” solution. I get it if your workload is so simple ir low requirement that zero-downtime deploys, rollbacks, health/liveness, automatic volumes, monitoring etc are features you don’t want or need, but “it’s just as good, just DIY all the things” doesn’t make it a viable alternative in my mind.
    - stackskipton 2y ago
      Sure but Kumal getting all those features means it strays close to Kubernetes in complexity and it quickly because "Why not Kubernetes? At least that is massive popular with a ton of support."
      - selcuka 2y ago
        I disagree. An opinionated tool can be as powerful as, but much simpler than a generic tool.
      - ngrilly 2y ago
        Kamal is doing most of this, but on a single node. This is the limitation that differentiates it from k8s, but also makes it much simpler.
  - striking 2y ago
    https://kamal-deploy.org/docs/configuration/proxy/ https://kamal-deploy.org/docs/configuration/proxy/ I think GP's point was that Kamal has all of these things already, so you don't have to set them up.

petcat 2y ago

> way more powerful and secure I don't care about powerful. That's the opposite of what I want. I could just use k8s if I cared about that.

mati365 2y ago
It looks like you don't even care about opening documentation before pressing reply. Podman is a simple hammer without any moving parts, that used properly can be used to build fancy stuff without much knowledge.
- petcat 2y ago
  I'm aware of what Podman and Systemd are. Apparently you are not aware of what Kamal is. Open documentation, then press reply.
  - woleium 2y ago
    Be nice folks, we are all here to learn :)

ngrilly 2y ago

Does it support zero downtime deploys?

mati365 2y ago
Why not? Install trafeik or any other load balancer, setup two services, and restart one after one.
- FridgeSeal 2y ago
  Ah yes my favourite thing to have to do, rolling my own deploys and rollbacks. It’s stuff like this that’s just a thousand papercuts that dissuades me from using these “simpler” tools. By the time you’ve rebuilt by hand what you need, you’ve just created a worse version of the “more complex” solution. I get it if your workload is so simple ir low requirement that zero-downtime deploys, rollbacks, health/liveness, automatic volumes, monitoring etc are features you don’t want or need, but “it’s just as good, just DIY all the things” doesn’t make it a viable alternative in my mind.
  - stackskipton 2y ago
    Sure but Kumal getting all those features means it strays close to Kubernetes in complexity and it quickly because "Why not Kubernetes? At least that is massive popular with a ton of support."
    - selcuka 2y ago
      I disagree. An opinionated tool can be as powerful as, but much simpler than a generic tool.
    - ngrilly 2y ago
      Kamal is doing most of this, but on a single node. This is the limitation that differentiates it from k8s, but also makes it much simpler.
- striking 2y ago
  https://kamal-deploy.org/docs/configuration/proxy/ https://kamal-deploy.org/docs/configuration/proxy/ I think GP's point was that Kamal has all of these things already, so you don't have to set them up.