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Again the DEM party took another opportunity to snatch defeat from the jaws of victory. They should have nominated Mark Kelly. The GOP ran on "this bitch hate

Again the DEM party took another opportunity to snatch defeat from the jaws of victory. They should have nominated Mark Kelly. The GOP ran on "this bitch hates America". You can't run on that against a 4 star rear admiral who also went into space.

anon84873628 2y ago
I'm curious. Let's say Biden hadn't completely bombed the debate but continued to muddle along as he had been, and the DNC didn't try to force him out. Would he have won?
- techfeathers 2y ago
  I don't think so, he wouldn't have overcome that event, and I think this was equally a referendum on Biden.
- Lord-Jobo 2y ago
  Absolutely not. It's clear with how people ranked issues on exit polls, Absolutely nobody would have won for the Democrats. The economic sentiment was too powerfully negative
- raincom 2y ago
  DNC tricked Biden for that earlier debate in order to force out Biden. Prominent Democrats and many media people knew Biden's cognitive decline by then.
jkubicek 2y ago
> You can't run on that against a 4 star rear admiral who also went into space. If I've learned anything since 2016 it's that you absolutely can convince ½ of Americans that a 4 star rear admiral who also went into space hates America.
- unethical_ban 2y ago
  I hear you on the power of conservative hatred. But it would have been a lot harder with a white man. The only thing they had on Biden was age and seeming creepy with kids. Look how hard Fox has to struggle when they debate Pete Buttegeig or Sanders. Confident, well spoken, white male policy wonks with plans for the working class are Fox News worst nightmare.
  - runako 2y ago
    Do you remember John Kerry by any chance?
    - unethical_ban 2y ago
      I forgot to add "Charismatic". Heh.
- hypeatei 2y ago
  Absolutely. Trump disparaged several military generals in his first term. Conservatives lose all principles and decency if Trump says it.
  - newfriend 2y ago
    Being a military general doesn't excuse you from criticism. Criticizing a single or several military generals doesn't mean you are against conservative principles. Despite what you may believe, military generals can be wrong, political, biased, etc.
    - hypeatei 2y ago
      That's a nice take if you completely ignore what Trump has said over the past 8 years about multiple generals including Mark Milley and Jim Mattis. Insinuating that they should be put to death, personal insults, etc.. all because they did things he didn't like. I would recommend searching for the rhetoric used using the two names I mentioned above. You probably don't care, but both have come out and said he's a threat to the constitution and a fascist. Seems weird that conservatives would be okay with trashing top military brass in that manner.
BryantD 2y ago
Nah, you absolutely can. A decent portion of the country still thinks a certain Navy lieutenant faked injuries in order to get a Purple Heart.
rKarpinski 2y ago
> You can't run on that against a 4 star rear admiral who also went into space. He was a Captain [1]. And what on 'Earth'(!) is a "4 star rear admiral"? [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mark_Kelly https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mark_Kelly
cootsnuck 2y ago
> The GOP ran on "this bitch hates America". This is it. I think people are drastically overestimating the complexity of the average voter's decision-making. We vote based off "vibes" in America unfortunately. Which means good ol' fashioned sexism and racism is all you need. Trump didn't get more people to vote for him than 2020. That's very telling and seems to be something people keep ignoring. Take a look at the demographics of who didn't come out to vote. I don't know how many more elections we need to accept the fact that a large chunk of this country straight up won't vote for someone that doesn't pass the "Hey, I'd have a beer with that dude" vibes check. It's depressing but the evidence is the evidence.

anon84873628 2y ago

I'm curious. Let's say Biden hadn't completely bombed the debate but continued to muddle along as he had been, and the DNC didn't try to force him out. Would he have won?

techfeathers 2y ago
I don't think so, he wouldn't have overcome that event, and I think this was equally a referendum on Biden.
Lord-Jobo 2y ago
Absolutely not. It's clear with how people ranked issues on exit polls, Absolutely nobody would have won for the Democrats. The economic sentiment was too powerfully negative
raincom 2y ago
DNC tricked Biden for that earlier debate in order to force out Biden. Prominent Democrats and many media people knew Biden's cognitive decline by then.

jkubicek 2y ago

> You can't run on that against a 4 star rear admiral who also went into space. If I've learned anything since 2016 it's that you absolutely can convince ½ of Americans that a 4 star rear admiral who also went into space hates America.

unethical_ban 2y ago
I hear you on the power of conservative hatred. But it would have been a lot harder with a white man. The only thing they had on Biden was age and seeming creepy with kids. Look how hard Fox has to struggle when they debate Pete Buttegeig or Sanders. Confident, well spoken, white male policy wonks with plans for the working class are Fox News worst nightmare.
- runako 2y ago
  Do you remember John Kerry by any chance?
  - unethical_ban 2y ago
    I forgot to add "Charismatic". Heh.
hypeatei 2y ago
Absolutely. Trump disparaged several military generals in his first term. Conservatives lose all principles and decency if Trump says it.
- newfriend 2y ago
  Being a military general doesn't excuse you from criticism. Criticizing a single or several military generals doesn't mean you are against conservative principles. Despite what you may believe, military generals can be wrong, political, biased, etc.
  - hypeatei 2y ago
    That's a nice take if you completely ignore what Trump has said over the past 8 years about multiple generals including Mark Milley and Jim Mattis. Insinuating that they should be put to death, personal insults, etc.. all because they did things he didn't like. I would recommend searching for the rhetoric used using the two names I mentioned above. You probably don't care, but both have come out and said he's a threat to the constitution and a fascist. Seems weird that conservatives would be okay with trashing top military brass in that manner.

BryantD 2y ago

Nah, you absolutely can. A decent portion of the country still thinks a certain Navy lieutenant faked injuries in order to get a Purple Heart.

rKarpinski 2y ago

> You can't run on that against a 4 star rear admiral who also went into space. He was a Captain [1]. And what on 'Earth'(!) is a "4 star rear admiral"? [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mark_Kelly https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mark_Kelly

cootsnuck 2y ago

> The GOP ran on "this bitch hates America". This is it. I think people are drastically overestimating the complexity of the average voter's decision-making. We vote based off "vibes" in America unfortunately. Which means good ol' fashioned sexism and racism is all you need. Trump didn't get more people to vote for him than 2020. That's very telling and seems to be something people keep ignoring. Take a look at the demographics of who didn't come out to vote. I don't know how many more elections we need to accept the fact that a large chunk of this country straight up won't vote for someone that doesn't pass the "Hey, I'd have a beer with that dude" vibes check. It's depressing but the evidence is the evidence.