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I'm not interested in arguing in defense of Biden because I can't and I won't. What I will do is argue that Trump would've been even worse. What I will do is a

I'm not interested in arguing in defense of Biden because I can't and I won't. What I will do is argue that Trump would've been even worse. What I will do is again, reiterate, that the current violence is in part a direct result of Trump's actions. For one in Saudi/Israeli appeasement, the move of the US embassy to Jerusalem and recognising Jerusalem as the Israeli capital, the recognition of annexed lands. We know this to be true. These are massive and likely irrevocable steps in US policy that slowly will end the idea of a Palestinian state and turn them into a native-american minority in someone else's state. Further, we know that Netanyahu is in power because of Trump's support. Trump was famously pissed at Netanyahu for congratulating Biden indeed on his victory, noting he recognised the Golan Heights as Israeli land during the election which massively helped his win. These guys are doing each other favours. There is absolutely no reason to suspect Trump would've restricted Israel more than Biden. Trump doesn't care nor do his followers. Trump has done things Biden hasn't, and he's likely to do more. > Trump at least keeps hammering the point that the war will need to stop as soon as possible. Biden has been doing the same for more than a year now, only its toothless. Trump may stop the war but only by giving Israel exactly what it wants. Do you think he's going to use his credits for a Palestinian cause, for what benefit to him? Due to his own ethical standard? Don't make me laugh. Again, not defending Biden, but Trump simply is worse for Palestinians. I don't think he would've protected Palestinian lives any more, but rather set the scene for more Israeli support, more annexations, more military aid, and more future escalations. Israel has had lots of plans that didn't get pushed through (e.g. pushing Gazans into Egypt and taking Gaza as part of Israel) that might well be a reality under Trump. > Ps: Netanyahu reacted to Biden's victory in a rather similar way, so what would that mean ? No. He was the literally the first leader in the world to congratulate trump. For Biden it was extremely late, even 12 hours after the US media had called the election. He didn't refer to Biden as president-elect and in the immediate subsequent tweet went on to thank Trump for all that he had done. Now that Trump won again he called it a great victory and the greatest comeback ever with exclamation marks. It's not a regular political message 'congratulate the new guy and start up diplomatic courtesies', it's happiness. His cabinet celebrated the victory. 2/3rds of Israeli's support Trump. This is not for nothing.

mardifoufs 2y ago
I think you are right (though Trump explicitly saying that he didn't want regime change in Iran is the only counter point I can think of). I think I just hope that a change, any change, might be better than the current situation. It is an absolute wildcard, and I think you are right in your analysis, but given the current situation and how the US administration has been completely supportive of Israel, and that Israel has been left to do whatever it wants, there's very little hope to cling to... I don't really know how to explain it but it's basically: we know what will happen if this administration stays, we don't know for sure what will happen if it changes. So I'm not at all saying that I'm supporting Trump for his Palestinian policy (lol), I'm just supporting anyone who isn't part of the current administration (meaning that a democrat candidate that didn't explicitly say that they wouldnt have done anything differently from what Biden did, like Harris has stated, would've been ideal)

mardifoufs 2y ago

I think you are right (though Trump explicitly saying that he didn't want regime change in Iran is the only counter point I can think of). I think I just hope that a change, any change, might be better than the current situation. It is an absolute wildcard, and I think you are right in your analysis, but given the current situation and how the US administration has been completely supportive of Israel, and that Israel has been left to do whatever it wants, there's very little hope to cling to... I don't really know how to explain it but it's basically: we know what will happen if this administration stays, we don't know for sure what will happen if it changes. So I'm not at all saying that I'm supporting Trump for his Palestinian policy (lol), I'm just supporting anyone who isn't part of the current administration (meaning that a democrat candidate that didn't explicitly say that they wouldnt have done anything differently from what Biden did, like Harris has stated, would've been ideal)