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> how is this bad? It's bad when a species goes extinct. Especially when that species is humans.

• gruez 2y ago
  Humans aren't going extinct any time soon. The world population is projected to level off at 10 billion near 2100.
  • WorkerBee28474 2y ago
    > Humans aren't going extinct any time soon. Soon in years, no. Soon in centuries, yes.
    • gruez 2y ago
      Be careful with extrapolation. A few decades ago Malthus thought we were heading for overpopulation.
      • WorkerBee28474 2y ago
        That is a good point. And actually it's not all humans who would go extinct, it's modern urban/semi-urban more-liberal people. There are pockets of often-rural highly religious populations that are well above the replacement rate right now. Basically Kamala Harris supporters are going extinct and Donald Trump supporters will populate the future, unless something changes.
        • Schiendelman 2y ago
          The thing that needs to change is zoning in cities. We don't let people move into our big cities in the US the way they do in Japan. That's the only change we need.
        • satvikpendem 2y ago
          In Japan, it's the rural areas that are going extinct while the urban areas are increasing in population. We'll probably see the same thing in the future in the US as well.
          • shiroiushi 2y ago
            No, not unless the US changes its zoning laws drastically. They won't allow new housing in the cities, so the only way to increase population is if hordes of homeless people move in and camp out. However, the urban areas can increase in size, so that large areas are basically gigantic and growing suburbs.
            • satvikpendem 2y ago
              Well even in Japan it's all urban sprawl. Tokyo is the largest metropolis in the world, so if the US follows suit, it would similarly grow outward not upward. Solving zoning law issues seems to be extremely difficult as NIMBYs explicitly vote against solutions as it harms them directly. I understand why they vote that way, but we would need top down solutions which are hard to come by politically.
              • shiroiushi 2y ago
                >Well even in Japan it's all urban sprawl. Tokyo is the largest metropolis in the world This isn't true (the urban sprawl part): while Tokyo is the largest metro area and does have a lot of sprawl, it's also continuously growing upwards, and not that much outwards because there really isn't much room left on the periphery (ocean and mountains are hard limits). Older, smaller buildings are regularly being knocked down and replaced by new, taller buildings.
                • satvikpendem 2y ago
                  Yes, so absent limits like geography, it seems cities will grow outward, and upward only when they hit those limits.
• Finnucane 2y ago
  All of the other species on the planet might disagree.
  • WorkerBee28474 2y ago
    That's ok. They don't make the rules. We do.