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Not everyone has to be - I do about half the childcare of my daughter and am often the odd-man-out at child activities. But most people have to be because that'

Not everyone has to be - I do about half the childcare of my daughter and am often the odd-man-out at child activities. But most people have to be because that's what each sex wants. It's not a great plan to be looking for a partner by not having a job and telling everyone that your goal is to be a stay-at-home dad who wants a high-earning wife to support him. Women aren't interested in that.

graemep 2y ago
That is true but it is exactly what I think the problem is. Women do want careers as good as those of men. There are huge efforts made to equalise numbers of women in various careers (especially high paying ones and in senior positions). I do not see how this can work without men taking on more traditionally female roles. IMO we should make it more acceptable for men to be stay at home dads, just as we have made it acceptable (and entirely normal) for women to do a lot of traditionally male jobs.
- throwaway2037 2y ago
  Except these men taking on more traditionally female roles are not viewed as sexually attractive to women -- especially compared to more masculine men. What the OP wrote is basically the thesis of the Red Pill community. Leaving aside the sometimes toxic content, RPers really have pulled back the curtain on "what women want". The sheer amount of data collected via Internet dating in the last twenty years has provided more insight than ever. What they want in their professional lives does not always match what they want/need in their personal lives. Please, please, please: Do not read this post as blaming women. People are fully entitled to have their personal preferences when choosing whom to date -- be they reasonable or not. I am looking at the outcomes, less the cause or intent. The gender revolution that has allowed many more women to have more economically productive careers has a strange counterpoint: Economies can change (much) faster than culture. So yes, women have climbed the corporate ladder very quickly in the last 30 years (lots of change), but their dating preferences have changed much slower. You can see this in the number of high performing, professional women that struggle to find people they want to date.
- DecoySalamander 2y ago
  > Women do want careers as good as those of men Why would anyone choose the role of a provider if they aren't under a huge biological pressure to be one? All it does is offer an alternative way to slightly increase dating prospects.
  - graemep 2y ago
    My point is it social pressure, not biological. It is a product of cultural expectations.

graemep 2y ago

That is true but it is exactly what I think the problem is. Women do want careers as good as those of men. There are huge efforts made to equalise numbers of women in various careers (especially high paying ones and in senior positions). I do not see how this can work without men taking on more traditionally female roles. IMO we should make it more acceptable for men to be stay at home dads, just as we have made it acceptable (and entirely normal) for women to do a lot of traditionally male jobs.

throwaway2037 2y ago
Except these men taking on more traditionally female roles are not viewed as sexually attractive to women -- especially compared to more masculine men. What the OP wrote is basically the thesis of the Red Pill community. Leaving aside the sometimes toxic content, RPers really have pulled back the curtain on "what women want". The sheer amount of data collected via Internet dating in the last twenty years has provided more insight than ever. What they want in their professional lives does not always match what they want/need in their personal lives. Please, please, please: Do not read this post as blaming women. People are fully entitled to have their personal preferences when choosing whom to date -- be they reasonable or not. I am looking at the outcomes, less the cause or intent. The gender revolution that has allowed many more women to have more economically productive careers has a strange counterpoint: Economies can change (much) faster than culture. So yes, women have climbed the corporate ladder very quickly in the last 30 years (lots of change), but their dating preferences have changed much slower. You can see this in the number of high performing, professional women that struggle to find people they want to date.
DecoySalamander 2y ago
> Women do want careers as good as those of men Why would anyone choose the role of a provider if they aren't under a huge biological pressure to be one? All it does is offer an alternative way to slightly increase dating prospects.
- graemep 2y ago
  My point is it social pressure, not biological. It is a product of cultural expectations.