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You misread their last two comments on the 18 years old remark. The mention of 6 years was a hypothetical for if the age restriction wasn't set at 18.

cynicalpeace 2y ago
Correct, they're misreading what I'm saying. But the 6 year old thing isn't a hypothetical. There are plenty of documented cases of 6 year olds being transitioned by abusive parents and doctors. There needs to be a line somewhere. Right now, in many jurisdictions, there is no line.
- palata 2y ago
  > Correct, they're misreading what I'm saying. I did misread the part about sex, tattoos and beer. Doesn't change the fact that you said (and I quote, third time): > 2. Protecting kids. I don't think kids can consent to medical gender transition. It amounts to state sanctioned child abuse. I have kids. Once you're 18 go ahead do what you want. Which implies "they can do it once they are 18, not before". When I disagreed with that, you gave an example of 6 year olds, which is very different from 18, isn't it? > There needs to be a line somewhere. Now maybe you are misreading me. I don't say that there is no regulation needed. I am just saying that I disagree with the "they abuse kids younger than 18 and Trump will save them" rhetoric.
  - cynicalpeace 2y ago
    6 < 18 I really don't know what we're arguing about here.
    - palata 2y ago
      I'll try one last time. You say "I don't think kids can consent to medical gender transition until they are 18" (I won't quote it a fourth time). I say that I disagree (because I could totally imagine a 16 year old be able to consent). Do you understand that?
      - TeaBrain 2y ago
        I think you are fundamentally misunderstanding his use of English. You seem to be interpreting the structure of his sentences in a way that he wasn't intending at all.
        palata 2y ago
        Happy to learn, English is not my language. Would you mind explaining to me what this means? > I don't think kids can consent to medical gender transition. It amounts to state sanctioned child abuse. I have kids. Once you're 18 go ahead do what you want.
        meowster 2y ago
        As a bystander, I appreciate your openness and willingness. However, I'm not sure if the misunderstanding here is a language issue or the issue about kids. It seems like you view medical sex transitions as similar importance to cancer treatment? I think that is the disagreement the other person has.
        palata 2y ago
        I was mostly trying to point out that 18 years old is pretty old for something that sounds... existential. If a "kid" has tried committing suicide twice before their 16th birthday, I would feel bad telling them "but you see, you can't really tell us how you feel before you're 18".
        cynicalpeace 2y ago
        What if the kid is telling you they'll suicide at the age of 8? The problem with your logic is that there is no line. Also, it's basically abusive- telling parents that if they don't transition their kids, they will be responsible for their deaths. Transitioning a kid doesn't solve the suicide problem. Many of them go on to commit suicide at even higher rates than other groups of people.
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cynicalpeace 2y ago

Correct, they're misreading what I'm saying. But the 6 year old thing isn't a hypothetical. There are plenty of documented cases of 6 year olds being transitioned by abusive parents and doctors. There needs to be a line somewhere. Right now, in many jurisdictions, there is no line.

palata 2y ago
> Correct, they're misreading what I'm saying. I did misread the part about sex, tattoos and beer. Doesn't change the fact that you said (and I quote, third time): > 2. Protecting kids. I don't think kids can consent to medical gender transition. It amounts to state sanctioned child abuse. I have kids. Once you're 18 go ahead do what you want. Which implies "they can do it once they are 18, not before". When I disagreed with that, you gave an example of 6 year olds, which is very different from 18, isn't it? > There needs to be a line somewhere. Now maybe you are misreading me. I don't say that there is no regulation needed. I am just saying that I disagree with the "they abuse kids younger than 18 and Trump will save them" rhetoric.
- cynicalpeace 2y ago
  6 < 18 I really don't know what we're arguing about here.
  - palata 2y ago
    I'll try one last time. You say "I don't think kids can consent to medical gender transition until they are 18" (I won't quote it a fourth time). I say that I disagree (because I could totally imagine a 16 year old be able to consent). Do you understand that?
    - TeaBrain 2y ago
      I think you are fundamentally misunderstanding his use of English. You seem to be interpreting the structure of his sentences in a way that he wasn't intending at all.
      - palata 2y ago
        Happy to learn, English is not my language. Would you mind explaining to me what this means? > I don't think kids can consent to medical gender transition. It amounts to state sanctioned child abuse. I have kids. Once you're 18 go ahead do what you want.
        meowster 2y ago
        As a bystander, I appreciate your openness and willingness. However, I'm not sure if the misunderstanding here is a language issue or the issue about kids. It seems like you view medical sex transitions as similar importance to cancer treatment? I think that is the disagreement the other person has.
        palata 2y ago
        I was mostly trying to point out that 18 years old is pretty old for something that sounds... existential. If a "kid" has tried committing suicide twice before their 16th birthday, I would feel bad telling them "but you see, you can't really tell us how you feel before you're 18".
        cynicalpeace 2y ago
        What if the kid is telling you they'll suicide at the age of 8? The problem with your logic is that there is no line. Also, it's basically abusive- telling parents that if they don't transition their kids, they will be responsible for their deaths. Transitioning a kid doesn't solve the suicide problem. Many of them go on to commit suicide at even higher rates than other groups of people.

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