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I feel like that's a mis-reading of the situation here. Yes, there was cultural friction (Russian ATC vs International norms). Yes, these guys were pushing th

I feel like that's a mis-reading of the situation here. Yes, there was cultural friction (Russian ATC vs International norms). Yes, these guys were pushing the envelope of operating conditions. That all influenced the creation of this situation. But when push came to shove none of that actually made them crash. Blindly going around is something any IFR pilot can do and they had two pilots. If either one person had just flown the damn plane they wouldn't have wound up in the drink. Trying to incessantly push buttons and turn knobs to make the plane track some imaginary line thorough the sky that procedure said they should follow is what killed them. They didn't run out of flying talent. They ran out of button pushing talent. Or, of course they could have fully committed to procedure and a) gone home b) gone to their alt airport. But that's kind of uninteresting because if they didn't crash the next guys flying an A320 in on a foggy early morning could have repeated the same mistakes.

culebron21 2y ago
Putting blame on two individuals that "just" could not push the buttons right, you ignore the whole text around that. Who created many of the stressful conditions (flight at 1 am and crew not had enough rest), put the underskilled captain there, and pushed the pilots to not do delay and overcome weather? Management. Could they have spoken up? Maybe, but management creates a system that suppresses such individual protests and penalize them. CRM in aviation (created back in the 1980s) made aviation in the Western countries almost 0-fatalities for over 2 decades now. And what it did was to not to scrutinize the men at the flight stick, that push the wrong buttons, but look at the process and management, and fix them first.
- potato3732842 2y ago
  You have it backwards. I'm saying that the standard operating procedures and the normal "computer operator" like way of performing a landing or go-around caused perfectly qualified pilots to botch what should have been a simple go-around that either of them likely could have pulled off drunk and blindfolded. I think if they had kicked everything off and flown it rawdog from the instant they were told to go around everyone would be alive but they remained too dedicated to doing things "by the book" until it was too late and they had been too confused by the system behavior and didn't have the situational awareness to fly it manually. Sure, the stress of the situation, the poor communication, etc, aren't ideal and surely contributed to lining up the dominoes here but the final straw was the go-around process.

culebron21 2y ago

Putting blame on two individuals that "just" could not push the buttons right, you ignore the whole text around that. Who created many of the stressful conditions (flight at 1 am and crew not had enough rest), put the underskilled captain there, and pushed the pilots to not do delay and overcome weather? Management. Could they have spoken up? Maybe, but management creates a system that suppresses such individual protests and penalize them. CRM in aviation (created back in the 1980s) made aviation in the Western countries almost 0-fatalities for over 2 decades now. And what it did was to not to scrutinize the men at the flight stick, that push the wrong buttons, but look at the process and management, and fix them first.

potato3732842 2y ago
You have it backwards. I'm saying that the standard operating procedures and the normal "computer operator" like way of performing a landing or go-around caused perfectly qualified pilots to botch what should have been a simple go-around that either of them likely could have pulled off drunk and blindfolded. I think if they had kicked everything off and flown it rawdog from the instant they were told to go around everyone would be alive but they remained too dedicated to doing things "by the book" until it was too late and they had been too confused by the system behavior and didn't have the situational awareness to fly it manually. Sure, the stress of the situation, the poor communication, etc, aren't ideal and surely contributed to lining up the dominoes here but the final straw was the go-around process.