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The full quote being: > "in four years, you don't have to vote again. We'll have it fixed so good, you're not gonna have to vote." One can reasonably interpre

by squigz 2y ago

The full quote being: > "in four years, you don't have to vote again. We'll have it fixed so good, you're not gonna have to vote." One can reasonably interpret that as meaning that in the next 4 years, Trump and his party are going to fix the country so much and so well that Christians won't have to go out to vote next time.

lolinder 2y ago
Not only is that the most reasonable interpretation of the words, it's the one he explicitly gave when asked [0]. The only way to arrive at the alternate interpretation is to be coming from a place where you already assume Trump is a threat to democracy. I think there are reasons to have arrived at that place (Jan 6th), but this quote is not evidence for it unless wildly misinterpreted. [0] https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/article/2024/jul/30/donald-trump-wont-have-to-vote-anymore-fox-interview https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/article/2024/jul/30/dona...
- rootusrootus 2y ago
  > where you already assume Trump is a threat to democracy You know, the people who see him as a threat to democracy are not just putting words in his mouth. Maybe they just listen to what he says, and believe him. Is that unreasonable?
  - squigz 2y ago
    Well we've already covered one quote that was grossly misinterpreted. What others have you got that implies he's a threat to democracy in America?
    - rootusrootus 2y ago
      The only people arguing it was misinterpreted are people who support him. Not by providing any context that actually supports it meaning something different. How about the innumerable times he claimed the election was rigged despite lacking any evidence to support it? Does denying that free and fair elections exist not count pretty specifically as being a threat to democracy? I totally get that he has an artful way of making alarming statements over and over, but doing it with just a hint of humor, so that his supporters can claim it was all just a joke. In your view, at what point do we get to take a politician at their word?
      - lolinder 2y ago
        > The only people arguing it was misinterpreted are people who support him. Bullshit. I'm as anti-Trump as they come, but I don't let that blind me to reality. What he meant is obvious to anyone who isn't already looking for proof of their preconceived ideas. I'm not even arguing that he's not a major threat to democracy—I think he is! I disagree that that quote is useful as evidence of that fact, and I disagree with the tactic that the left intentionally adopted of twisting the truth to make a point. People saw through that tactic and it contributed to Trump's victory. The facts about Trump are scary enough, there was no need to twist his words.
    - dudefeliciano 2y ago
      What you are doing has a name these days, they call it sanewashing. Had Harris or Biden said anything even close to trumps comments the maga crowd would have yelled bloody murder, but somehow for trump everything is excusable and can be explained away.
    - PsylentKnight 2y ago
      Everything he said and continues to say about the 2020 election, and the attempts he made to overturn said election Makes me feel like I'm on crazy pills that this guy was electable after this https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eastman_memos https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eastman_memos https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trump%E2%80%93Raffensperger_phone_call https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trump%E2%80%93Raffensperger_ph... https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Attempts_to_overturn_the_2020_United_States_presidential_election https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Attempts_to_overturn_the_2020_...
    - xnx 2y ago
      "What I want to do is this. I just want to find, uh, 11,780 votes"
rootusrootus 2y ago
So the most favorable interpretation of his words is that his supporters are delusional? What is their interpretation of "fix the country"? Because if it does not involve changing the constitution (a very tall order) then every single thing he does can be undone with the same effort by the next democratic president. Surely these people know that, right? How could they possibly believe that he will magically "fix the country" so they don't have to vote any more, unless they anticipate that he means something permanent?
- DiggyJohnson 2y ago
  Because they don’t take things so literally. I’m not trying to be flippant, that’s genuinely the answer to your question. Trump is literally being dramatic and funny by putting it like that. And you’re taking the bait and missing the joke. I know I sound like the enemy and I dislike including this paragraph: But keep in mind, I can’t stand Donald Trump and didn’t vote for him.

by squigz 2y ago

lolinder 2y ago

Not only is that the most reasonable interpretation of the words, it's the one he explicitly gave when asked [0]. The only way to arrive at the alternate interpretation is to be coming from a place where you already assume Trump is a threat to democracy. I think there are reasons to have arrived at that place (Jan 6th), but this quote is not evidence for it unless wildly misinterpreted. [0] https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/article/2024/jul/30/donald-trump-wont-have-to-vote-anymore-fox-interview https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/article/2024/jul/30/dona...

rootusrootus 2y ago
> where you already assume Trump is a threat to democracy You know, the people who see him as a threat to democracy are not just putting words in his mouth. Maybe they just listen to what he says, and believe him. Is that unreasonable?
- squigz 2y ago
  Well we've already covered one quote that was grossly misinterpreted. What others have you got that implies he's a threat to democracy in America?
  - rootusrootus 2y ago
    The only people arguing it was misinterpreted are people who support him. Not by providing any context that actually supports it meaning something different. How about the innumerable times he claimed the election was rigged despite lacking any evidence to support it? Does denying that free and fair elections exist not count pretty specifically as being a threat to democracy? I totally get that he has an artful way of making alarming statements over and over, but doing it with just a hint of humor, so that his supporters can claim it was all just a joke. In your view, at what point do we get to take a politician at their word?
    - lolinder 2y ago
      > The only people arguing it was misinterpreted are people who support him. Bullshit. I'm as anti-Trump as they come, but I don't let that blind me to reality. What he meant is obvious to anyone who isn't already looking for proof of their preconceived ideas. I'm not even arguing that he's not a major threat to democracy—I think he is! I disagree that that quote is useful as evidence of that fact, and I disagree with the tactic that the left intentionally adopted of twisting the truth to make a point. People saw through that tactic and it contributed to Trump's victory. The facts about Trump are scary enough, there was no need to twist his words.
  - dudefeliciano 2y ago
    What you are doing has a name these days, they call it sanewashing. Had Harris or Biden said anything even close to trumps comments the maga crowd would have yelled bloody murder, but somehow for trump everything is excusable and can be explained away.
  - PsylentKnight 2y ago
    Everything he said and continues to say about the 2020 election, and the attempts he made to overturn said election Makes me feel like I'm on crazy pills that this guy was electable after this https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eastman_memos https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eastman_memos https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trump%E2%80%93Raffensperger_phone_call https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trump%E2%80%93Raffensperger_ph... https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Attempts_to_overturn_the_2020_United_States_presidential_election https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Attempts_to_overturn_the_2020_...
  - xnx 2y ago
    "What I want to do is this. I just want to find, uh, 11,780 votes"

rootusrootus 2y ago

So the most favorable interpretation of his words is that his supporters are delusional? What is their interpretation of "fix the country"? Because if it does not involve changing the constitution (a very tall order) then every single thing he does can be undone with the same effort by the next democratic president. Surely these people know that, right? How could they possibly believe that he will magically "fix the country" so they don't have to vote any more, unless they anticipate that he means something permanent?

DiggyJohnson 2y ago
Because they don’t take things so literally. I’m not trying to be flippant, that’s genuinely the answer to your question. Trump is literally being dramatic and funny by putting it like that. And you’re taking the bait and missing the joke. I know I sound like the enemy and I dislike including this paragraph: But keep in mind, I can’t stand Donald Trump and didn’t vote for him.