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Yeah, I never believed any of the "stolen election" diatribe, but after last night, I'm actually starting to change my mind on that. I now think it's actually v
by cooper_ganglia 2y ago
Yeah, I never believed any of the "stolen election" diatribe, but after last night, I'm actually starting to change my mind on that. I now think it's actually very possible.
- anon291 2y agoNotice also the lack of sudden 100% Trump vote drops and the lack of sudden shifts. Instead the election went off like literally every other election in our lifetime where most states are called on election night, and those that aren't are pariahs and we're all left wondering what the hell are they doing? No 'pipe leaks'. No videos of counters covering up windows. No sudden last minute rule changes. It was... unremarkable and normal. I think this is going to go down like the Kennedy - Nixon election where the allegations of fraud seemed made up at the time, but a few decades later, after we've calmed down about the candidates, we will uncover the truth. Whether it was enough to shift the 2020 election ... who knows, but the truth has the habit of coming out eventually. I mean 20 million people sat at home? Really? That's an insane amount.
- cryptonector 2y agoYou mean 100% Biden/Harris drops.
- anon291 2y agoYes, in 2020 there were 100% Harris/Biden drops, but I am saying that this election, I don't know of any 100% Trump drops in counties with thousands of votes. That's why there's no contesting here.
- cryptonector 2y agoThat's right, there were no 100% Trump drops in 2016, 2020, nor 2024.
- BHSPitMonkey 2y agoAs of your post, several millions of ballots have not been tallied (half of California, for example).
- anon291 2y agoI would assume Trump has improved his margins in California. When I visited my in-laws a few weeks ago (hispanic immigrants with a huge family), many had voted trump and trump fervor in the town (Santa Maria) was higher than ever.
- stopping 2y agoWell over ten million votes are still yet to be counted on the West Coast. Is there a reason why you haven't considered this? If you add uncounted votes then the total count is only 5 million less than 2020. Such swings have certainly happened before between adjacent elections, such as from 2000 to 2004.
- consumer451 2y agoI don't buy it. Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence. There were investigations by the GOP into 2020 voter fraud for the last 4 years, and nothing of note was discovered. To go from that lack of evidence to large amounts of fraudulent votes is a bit much for me. Other explanations could include things along the lines of unemployed people/people at home (COVID) having more time to get into politics. Or, this election cycle burning them out, or Gaza, or all of the above and more.
- anon291 2y agoFor prosecution, extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence. As Americans think and look back upon the course of history in deciding whom to vote for, really their own gut feeling is all that is necessary. I mean, we all know that people like Al Capone tread very carefully to avoid any direct criminal liability. Yet, we all knew he did it, despite the lack of incontrivertible evidence that was admissible in court.
- consumer451 2y ago> For prosecution, extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence. I was thinking more along the lines of, for me to believe the claims. No prosecution would have been necessary outside the court of public opinion. I mean if there is fraud, prosecute it no matter who did it. But Trump hired an investigator for the news cycle, and the guy found nothing.
- halfmatthalfcat 2y agoThere have been so many investigations at the state (especially Georgia with Rs in control) and federal level that have surfaced no evidence.