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No...you get ostracized or cancelled in many social circles for indicating that you might support Trump or Republican policies. Even mild ostracization would ma

No...you get ostracized or cancelled in many social circles for indicating that you might support Trump or Republican policies. Even mild ostracization would make people hesitate to voice their opinions, never mind the level it is currently.

consteval 2y ago
This is, largely, because a lot of republicans have a difficult time expressing their views without using tools like racism and misogyny. Just take a look at the Trump rallies. Even if you agree with 100% of Trump's policies, look at how he talks about women. Could you repeat what he says in the workplace? No, you'd get fired. Not for being republican, but for sexual harassment. If you were able to support anti-immigration policies without calling entire classes of people "garbage", then maybe people wouldn't get mad at you. But for a lot of republicans, they just can't do that. They don't know how to word their policy support without saying something incredibly offensive. Or, for example, it's one thing if you're pro-life. But a lot of republicans will use words like "slut" and "whore", and even President Trump wants to "punish women". Again, this just isn't acceptable speech in most social situations. Until your average republican and, hell, our president, figure out how to address these topics without being offensive, people will get offended.
- cynicalpeace 2y ago
  This is basically all TDS. Does my Colombian immigrant wife somehow hate immigrants and women because she thinks Trump would be better than Kamala?
  - consteval 2y ago
    Of course she doesn't. But, can she express that without saying it in a way that says "I hate immigrants"? This is what I'm pointing out. Having republican beliefs is fine. Can republicans voice those beliefs without bigotry? Often no. For Trump, certainly not. For many, they can't either. If you just say "Trump addresses immigrant better", then okay. If you say "they're eating the dogs, they're eating the cats, we have to clean up our country" then... yeah you're getting pulled into HR.
    - cynicalpeace 2y ago
      I have never heard Trump say he hates immigrants. His wife is literally an immigrant. Do you actually believe he hates immigrants? Actually hating immigrants and being politically (and sometimes factually) incorrect are two different things. The latter is forgivable.
      - sanderjd 2y ago
        It's essentially the first thing he said when he kicked off his campaign in 2015.
        cynicalpeace 2y ago
        > It's essentially So he didn't say it.
        sanderjd 2y ago
        This may be news to you, but human language is often nuanced and indirect. It is a perfectly reasonable short-hand to say that he hates immigrants when his political career was launched on painting them as criminals, drug dealers, and rapists. This kind of "but he didn't actually say the word hate" pedantry is unconvincing.
        cynicalpeace 2y ago
        His wife is literally an immigrant
        sanderjd 2y ago
        First of all, what makes you think he doesn't hate his wife? He has treated every woman in his life, including Melania, like trash. But you're right, even in that speech, he is pretty explicit about which kinds of immigrants he doesn't like; the ones from south of the border. He doesn't seem to have a problem with white immigrants. Thing is, I think it's true that racism isn't close to being the thing driving the political realignment since he came on the scene, but that doesn't mean it's false that he's racist. Both things can be true.
- idunnoman1222 2y ago
  the men in your life are dishonest with you. You will never know what people really think (and no one will be able to explain why to you because you won’t hear them)
  - consteval 2y ago
    I absolutely hear them, but they're incapable of voicing their beliefs without bigotry. You can say, for example, that there are challenges to gender-neutral bathrooms. Okay that's fine. You can't say "those dirty pervy <slurs> are molesting our little girls!". Do you see how that's now bigotry? How many republicans are able to do 1 without ever touching 2? Very, very few. Certainly Trump can't, and Cruz can't either. If those are your role models then it's no wonder you can't express your beliefs.
cmptrnerd6 2y ago
Or you get ostracized for saying you don't want to have to involve lawyers to get your wife the medical care she needs. Depends on where you are in the country.

consteval 2y ago

This is, largely, because a lot of republicans have a difficult time expressing their views without using tools like racism and misogyny. Just take a look at the Trump rallies. Even if you agree with 100% of Trump's policies, look at how he talks about women. Could you repeat what he says in the workplace? No, you'd get fired. Not for being republican, but for sexual harassment. If you were able to support anti-immigration policies without calling entire classes of people "garbage", then maybe people wouldn't get mad at you. But for a lot of republicans, they just can't do that. They don't know how to word their policy support without saying something incredibly offensive. Or, for example, it's one thing if you're pro-life. But a lot of republicans will use words like "slut" and "whore", and even President Trump wants to "punish women". Again, this just isn't acceptable speech in most social situations. Until your average republican and, hell, our president, figure out how to address these topics without being offensive, people will get offended.

cynicalpeace 2y ago
This is basically all TDS. Does my Colombian immigrant wife somehow hate immigrants and women because she thinks Trump would be better than Kamala?
- consteval 2y ago
  Of course she doesn't. But, can she express that without saying it in a way that says "I hate immigrants"? This is what I'm pointing out. Having republican beliefs is fine. Can republicans voice those beliefs without bigotry? Often no. For Trump, certainly not. For many, they can't either. If you just say "Trump addresses immigrant better", then okay. If you say "they're eating the dogs, they're eating the cats, we have to clean up our country" then... yeah you're getting pulled into HR.
  - cynicalpeace 2y ago
    I have never heard Trump say he hates immigrants. His wife is literally an immigrant. Do you actually believe he hates immigrants? Actually hating immigrants and being politically (and sometimes factually) incorrect are two different things. The latter is forgivable.
    - sanderjd 2y ago
      It's essentially the first thing he said when he kicked off his campaign in 2015.
      - cynicalpeace 2y ago
        > It's essentially So he didn't say it.
        sanderjd 2y ago
        This may be news to you, but human language is often nuanced and indirect. It is a perfectly reasonable short-hand to say that he hates immigrants when his political career was launched on painting them as criminals, drug dealers, and rapists. This kind of "but he didn't actually say the word hate" pedantry is unconvincing.
        cynicalpeace 2y ago
        His wife is literally an immigrant
        sanderjd 2y ago
        First of all, what makes you think he doesn't hate his wife? He has treated every woman in his life, including Melania, like trash. But you're right, even in that speech, he is pretty explicit about which kinds of immigrants he doesn't like; the ones from south of the border. He doesn't seem to have a problem with white immigrants. Thing is, I think it's true that racism isn't close to being the thing driving the political realignment since he came on the scene, but that doesn't mean it's false that he's racist. Both things can be true.
idunnoman1222 2y ago
the men in your life are dishonest with you. You will never know what people really think (and no one will be able to explain why to you because you won’t hear them)
- consteval 2y ago
  I absolutely hear them, but they're incapable of voicing their beliefs without bigotry. You can say, for example, that there are challenges to gender-neutral bathrooms. Okay that's fine. You can't say "those dirty pervy <slurs> are molesting our little girls!". Do you see how that's now bigotry? How many republicans are able to do 1 without ever touching 2? Very, very few. Certainly Trump can't, and Cruz can't either. If those are your role models then it's no wonder you can't express your beliefs.

cmptrnerd6 2y ago

Or you get ostracized for saying you don't want to have to involve lawyers to get your wife the medical care she needs. Depends on where you are in the country.