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https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/article/2024/jul/30/donald-trump-wont-have-to-vote-anymore-fox-interview https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/article/2024/ju

by hobs 2y ago

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/article/2024/jul/30/donald-trump-wont-have-to-vote-anymore-fox-interview https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/article/2024/jul/30/dona... from the man's lips to your ears.

lolinder 2y ago
Did you even listen to the video clip in the article? > It’s true, because we have to get the vote out. Christians are not known as a big voting group, they don’t vote. And I’m explaining that to them. You never vote. This time, vote. I’ll straighten out the country, you won’t have to vote any more, I won’t need your vote any more, you can go back to not voting. I hate Trump as much as anyone, but deliberately misconstruing every word he says is part of what cost Democrats the election. People saw through it.
- rkeene2 2y ago
  I think that given the context that he illegally tried to retain power after losing in 2020 that many people infer something into his words about reducing the need to vote
  - dgfitz 2y ago
    No, I think lolinder is correct. People don't like being told "here is what was said, here is what was MEANT because you're not educated enough and can't possibly understand" did Harris zero favors.
    - rkeene2 2y ago
      I'm not sure in what respects you are disagreeing with me on, since I didn't mention anyone's level of education or intelligence -- I didn't mention anything about the people who interpret the statement in a benign way at all. I added my thoughts on why people would take that statement and infer some other meaning than his literal words, since those words are said as part of a broader context. This says nothing about the people who didn't do so. So, you starting a comment with "No" but then not addressing any point I made is confusing to me.
      - dgfitz 2y ago
        Cheers.
- cogman10 2y ago
  No, what cost them the election was the fact that Kamala ran a campaign of "I'm actually just a republican so you can vote for me". She dumped any sort of policy or position that'd scare away the mythical disaffected trump voter. She paraded around Liz Cheney FFS. WTF likes the Cheneys?
  - JumpCrisscross 2y ago
    > She dumped any sort of policy or position that'd scare away the mythical disaffected trump voter We just saw a national rejection of progressive politicians. To the extent she screwed up, it was in having a numpty VP instead of Shapiro and declining to be more specific on policies that would offend the left wing of the base. We’ll probably see a midterm backlash, however, so the message isn’t “everyone tack right.”
    - cogman10 2y ago
      What policy? The only leftwing policy she adopted was abortion. Otherwise, she ran on being tough on the border, upholding the 2nd amendment, and being an awesome cop. Her platform silently dumped policies like the death penalty.
      - JumpCrisscross 2y ago
        One was conciliation on Gaza, an issue inflamed by the protests and that was material in Pennsylvania, the tipping-point state she lost in. She also wasn’t “tough on the border” in any specific way—Trump channeled that anger effectively. Another was student loan modifications. This transferred wealth from non-college taxpayers to college graduates.

by hobs 2y ago

lolinder 2y ago

Did you even listen to the video clip in the article? > It’s true, because we have to get the vote out. Christians are not known as a big voting group, they don’t vote. And I’m explaining that to them. You never vote. This time, vote. I’ll straighten out the country, you won’t have to vote any more, I won’t need your vote any more, you can go back to not voting. I hate Trump as much as anyone, but deliberately misconstruing every word he says is part of what cost Democrats the election. People saw through it.

rkeene2 2y ago
I think that given the context that he illegally tried to retain power after losing in 2020 that many people infer something into his words about reducing the need to vote
- dgfitz 2y ago
  No, I think lolinder is correct. People don't like being told "here is what was said, here is what was MEANT because you're not educated enough and can't possibly understand" did Harris zero favors.
  - rkeene2 2y ago
    I'm not sure in what respects you are disagreeing with me on, since I didn't mention anyone's level of education or intelligence -- I didn't mention anything about the people who interpret the statement in a benign way at all. I added my thoughts on why people would take that statement and infer some other meaning than his literal words, since those words are said as part of a broader context. This says nothing about the people who didn't do so. So, you starting a comment with "No" but then not addressing any point I made is confusing to me.
    - dgfitz 2y ago
      Cheers.
cogman10 2y ago
No, what cost them the election was the fact that Kamala ran a campaign of "I'm actually just a republican so you can vote for me". She dumped any sort of policy or position that'd scare away the mythical disaffected trump voter. She paraded around Liz Cheney FFS. WTF likes the Cheneys?
- JumpCrisscross 2y ago
  > She dumped any sort of policy or position that'd scare away the mythical disaffected trump voter We just saw a national rejection of progressive politicians. To the extent she screwed up, it was in having a numpty VP instead of Shapiro and declining to be more specific on policies that would offend the left wing of the base. We’ll probably see a midterm backlash, however, so the message isn’t “everyone tack right.”
  - cogman10 2y ago
    What policy? The only leftwing policy she adopted was abortion. Otherwise, she ran on being tough on the border, upholding the 2nd amendment, and being an awesome cop. Her platform silently dumped policies like the death penalty.
    - JumpCrisscross 2y ago
      One was conciliation on Gaza, an issue inflamed by the protests and that was material in Pennsylvania, the tipping-point state she lost in. She also wasn’t “tough on the border” in any specific way—Trump channeled that anger effectively. Another was student loan modifications. This transferred wealth from non-college taxpayers to college graduates.