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My analysis is the Democrat party leadership should have conducted a true primary election. She was "gifted" the nomination, vs being selected in the primary.

My analysis is the Democrat party leadership should have conducted a true primary election. She was "gifted" the nomination, vs being selected in the primary. I think the populace responded in turn: This wasn't their candidate. Compare this to the Obama vs Clinton selection, which I actually believe the populace would have supported either. btw: I'm not sure I'd compare this to the 2020 primaries as 2020 was a special year, and I don't think really any of the candidates really resonated with the voters, Biden just "wasn't Trump".

max51 2y ago
The issue isn't how she got the nomination but how bad of a candidate she is. People did not like her before she was VP. She was considered a joke candidate was performed extremely poorly in the 2020 primaries. The main reason a primary would have been better is because Harris would have lost and been replaced with a better candidate.
- SirensOfTitan 2y ago
  Yes, for sure, but the way Biden’s mental fitness was poor-pooed as misinformation for years and then Harris was installed at the last minute really undermines the “we’re the party of democracy” narrative.
  - max51 2y ago
    If his VP was 2nd or 3rd place in the 2020 primaries, it wouldn't be a big deal compared to Harris because the candidate would be someone that a significant portion of the Dems actually support and want as a president.
- istjohn 2y ago
  Biden picked a VP who wouldn't be able to mount a challenge against him for a second term, and now we're paying for it.
  - amadeuspagel 2y ago
    And Biden was himself picked as a VP because Obama thought he'd be too old to run after his second term, and so would be completely loyal, rather then thinking about how decisions he made as a VP would affect his own future campaign.
- sixothree 2y ago
  And it certainly didn't help that she's a black woman. I've heard the n-word so much in the last few months. Lord help us.
horsawlarway 2y ago
This is my take as well. I was opposed to Biden dropping out because skipping the primary means you go into the general election without the real pulse of the voters in your party. I think Democrats in general are putting far too much weight on survey based polls, and not enough on ballet box polls. I wouldn't even rule out 2020 like you're doing - I think Biden is actually a very compelling candidate for a lot of folks that don't get much mention in typical democratic discussion circles. Religious, relatively socially conservative but economically left (traditional union left, not neo-liberal), white, male. While people complained about it not being Sanders online - Sanders and Biden were fairly similar platforms in a lot of respects, with the difference being that corporate money was less hostile to Biden - and it's telling that they were the only two to take any significant percentage of the primary vote (no other candidate broke 3mm votes) --- Basically - I think there's a solid chance that despite the polling news around the first debate, Biden might have actually performed more strongly on election night. As an extra note - As someone who was initially very critical of Biden... I have a lurking suspicion that he's going to be considered an excellent president in a historical context because he managed to invest heavily in infrastructure.
bamboozled 2y ago
If she lost on the economy, it wouldn't have mattered, no one was going to turn it aorund that fast.
- trts 2y ago
  a lot of people were advocating for a primary in 2023 and got shouted down by the establishment dems
  - bamboozled 2y ago
    It's true, it was stupid and as many people have righly said, it was undemocratic.

max51 2y ago

The issue isn't how she got the nomination but how bad of a candidate she is. People did not like her before she was VP. She was considered a joke candidate was performed extremely poorly in the 2020 primaries. The main reason a primary would have been better is because Harris would have lost and been replaced with a better candidate.

SirensOfTitan 2y ago
Yes, for sure, but the way Biden’s mental fitness was poor-pooed as misinformation for years and then Harris was installed at the last minute really undermines the “we’re the party of democracy” narrative.
- max51 2y ago
  If his VP was 2nd or 3rd place in the 2020 primaries, it wouldn't be a big deal compared to Harris because the candidate would be someone that a significant portion of the Dems actually support and want as a president.
istjohn 2y ago
Biden picked a VP who wouldn't be able to mount a challenge against him for a second term, and now we're paying for it.
- amadeuspagel 2y ago
  And Biden was himself picked as a VP because Obama thought he'd be too old to run after his second term, and so would be completely loyal, rather then thinking about how decisions he made as a VP would affect his own future campaign.
sixothree 2y ago
And it certainly didn't help that she's a black woman. I've heard the n-word so much in the last few months. Lord help us.

horsawlarway 2y ago

This is my take as well. I was opposed to Biden dropping out because skipping the primary means you go into the general election without the real pulse of the voters in your party. I think Democrats in general are putting far too much weight on survey based polls, and not enough on ballet box polls. I wouldn't even rule out 2020 like you're doing - I think Biden is actually a very compelling candidate for a lot of folks that don't get much mention in typical democratic discussion circles. Religious, relatively socially conservative but economically left (traditional union left, not neo-liberal), white, male. While people complained about it not being Sanders online - Sanders and Biden were fairly similar platforms in a lot of respects, with the difference being that corporate money was less hostile to Biden - and it's telling that they were the only two to take any significant percentage of the primary vote (no other candidate broke 3mm votes) --- Basically - I think there's a solid chance that despite the polling news around the first debate, Biden might have actually performed more strongly on election night. As an extra note - As someone who was initially very critical of Biden... I have a lurking suspicion that he's going to be considered an excellent president in a historical context because he managed to invest heavily in infrastructure.

bamboozled 2y ago

If she lost on the economy, it wouldn't have mattered, no one was going to turn it aorund that fast.

trts 2y ago
a lot of people were advocating for a primary in 2023 and got shouted down by the establishment dems
- bamboozled 2y ago
  It's true, it was stupid and as many people have righly said, it was undemocratic.