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This is hyperbole.

objektif 2y ago
It is a deliberate attempt to scaremonger people into voting for Kamala.
hobs 2y ago
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/article/2024/jul/30/donald-trump-wont-have-to-vote-anymore-fox-interview https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/article/2024/jul/30/dona... from the man's lips to your ears.
- lolinder 2y ago
  Did you even listen to the video clip in the article? > It’s true, because we have to get the vote out. Christians are not known as a big voting group, they don’t vote. And I’m explaining that to them. You never vote. This time, vote. I’ll straighten out the country, you won’t have to vote any more, I won’t need your vote any more, you can go back to not voting. I hate Trump as much as anyone, but deliberately misconstruing every word he says is part of what cost Democrats the election. People saw through it.
  - rkeene2 2y ago
    I think that given the context that he illegally tried to retain power after losing in 2020 that many people infer something into his words about reducing the need to vote
    - dgfitz 2y ago
      No, I think lolinder is correct. People don't like being told "here is what was said, here is what was MEANT because you're not educated enough and can't possibly understand" did Harris zero favors.
      - rkeene2 2y ago
        I'm not sure in what respects you are disagreeing with me on, since I didn't mention anyone's level of education or intelligence -- I didn't mention anything about the people who interpret the statement in a benign way at all. I added my thoughts on why people would take that statement and infer some other meaning than his literal words, since those words are said as part of a broader context. This says nothing about the people who didn't do so. So, you starting a comment with "No" but then not addressing any point I made is confusing to me.
        dgfitz 2y ago
        Cheers.
  - cogman10 2y ago
    No, what cost them the election was the fact that Kamala ran a campaign of "I'm actually just a republican so you can vote for me". She dumped any sort of policy or position that'd scare away the mythical disaffected trump voter. She paraded around Liz Cheney FFS. WTF likes the Cheneys?
    - JumpCrisscross 2y ago
      > She dumped any sort of policy or position that'd scare away the mythical disaffected trump voter We just saw a national rejection of progressive politicians. To the extent she screwed up, it was in having a numpty VP instead of Shapiro and declining to be more specific on policies that would offend the left wing of the base. We’ll probably see a midterm backlash, however, so the message isn’t “everyone tack right.”
      - cogman10 2y ago
        What policy? The only leftwing policy she adopted was abortion. Otherwise, she ran on being tough on the border, upholding the 2nd amendment, and being an awesome cop. Her platform silently dumped policies like the death penalty.
        JumpCrisscross 2y ago
        One was conciliation on Gaza, an issue inflamed by the protests and that was material in Pennsylvania, the tipping-point state she lost in. She also wasn’t “tough on the border” in any specific way—Trump channeled that anger effectively. Another was student loan modifications. This transferred wealth from non-college taxpayers to college graduates.
ilrwbwrkhv 2y ago
And hyperbole like this is why democrats lost in such a devastating fashion. + the fact that they had no brand power and marketing. Trump in a garbage truck is great marketing.
- anon291 2y ago
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- CabSauce 2y ago
  Ah, yes. Trump won because of his well-known ability for measured and rational speaking.
  - lolinder 2y ago
    That's not what they said. "Measured and rational speaking" is usually terrible marketing. It barely works on college-educated adults and certainly doesn't work on the mass market. The example they gave is Trump in a garbage truck, but that's just one way in which Trump made himself enormously appealing to the non-elite.
    - FollowingTheDao 2y ago
      They can not even understand that 80% of the country does not talk like a rich, educated liberal. It is so frustrating.
      - lolinder 2y ago
        Worse, they don't see that a near-majority of the country is actively put off by someone speaking like a rich, educated liberal. The #1 exercise Democratic politicians should do over the next 4 years is to spend hours and hours and hours actually listening to working-class people in flyover country and trying to really understand them. They just don't get it yet.
belter 2y ago
Good luck with your Health Insurance: https://edition.cnn.com/2024/10/31/politics/aca-trump-repeal-affordable-care-act/index.html https://edition.cnn.com/2024/10/31/politics/aca-trump-repeal...
- lolinder 2y ago
  Shifting the goal posts much? Grandparent says democracy will end, parent says that's hyperbole, you bring out healthcare?
  - belter 2y ago
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- danlugo92 2y ago
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- FollowingTheDao 2y ago
  I am on disability and use Medicare. My health access has diminished to almost zero over the last four years. What has any Democrat done fro me, the poor and suffering? Give me a break. Obama Pulled a Lucy with Medicare for all and I hate him for it.
  - ben_w 2y ago
    Obama wasn't a candidate since 2012 or president since 2016.
    - DiggyJohnson 2y ago
      Presumably the person you’re replying to knows these things? Try and respond to the best interpretation of a comment instead of assuming they’re an idiot.
      - ben_w 2y ago
anon291 2y ago
Remember when all the brown people, gays, trans, blacks, and women were imprisoned in 2016? /s
- cglace 2y ago
  I remember when he constantly inflamed a nation in turmoil and divided.
  - anon291 2y ago
    We are not divided though. He overwhelmingly won the popular vote. Sure there is an opposition, but the truth is that the majority of American voters agree with Trump (currently winning by margins of 5 million according to NYT). Yes, there's still work to be done, but the real inflamers of the nation are the mainstream media. Luckily they're slowly going away, and uniting figures like Musk, Rogan, etc are taking their place. Also, he overwhelmingly wins with hispanic men (55-45). He is walking away with hispanics overall in many swing states. Black men are now 25% in his favor. Basically every single minority margin has shifted towards president trump (Including women). At this rate he will succesfully unite the country in a few more years as the remaining stragglers come over to see common sense.
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    - sulam 2y ago
      Hey dude, you may be overdosing on those pills you’re taking when you start saying things like Musk is a uniter. The red ones are fine, just limit it to one or two, okay?
      - anon291 2y ago
        Of course he is. He and his companies are well loved by the American populace writ large.
malkia 2y ago
His words: "in four years, you don't have to vote again. We'll have it fixed so good, you're not gonna have to vote." - explain! - https://www.reuters.com/world/us/trump-tells-christians-they-wont-have-vote-after-this-election-2024-07-27/ https://www.reuters.com/world/us/trump-tells-christians-they...
- lolinder 2y ago
  Trump already explained [0]: > It’s true, because we have to get the vote out. Christians are not known as a big voting group, they don’t vote. And I’m explaining that to them. You never vote. This time, vote. I’ll straighten out the country, you won’t have to vote any more, I won’t need your vote any more, you can go back to not voting. It was stupid phrasing and might have been a Freudian slip, but his explanation also makes sense. "The country is on the brink of {insert terrible fears here}, but we'll fix it up this term and you won't have to worry about it for a while." The man isn't known for his well-thought-out speeches, his entire schtick is speaking off the cuff, and most voters don't hold that against him. [0] https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/article/2024/jul/30/donald-trump-wont-have-to-vote-anymore-fox-interview https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/article/2024/jul/30/dona...
  - ZeroGravitas 2y ago
    So even when the Christians don't vote in 4 years, they still get the things they want? What do the people who are voting get? I'd guess they get a government that via the Supreme court, gerrymandering, voter suppression, cowed media, doesn't represent their democratic interests. Which is a bad thing. There's abortion votes that passed the other day at state levels that will not be put into practice because Republicans don't want to.
  - malkia 2y ago
    TLDR: In different context, but same feeling: "I need to vaccinate yourself when you are around me, but when you are no longer, I don't care". I dunno. That doesn't sound very presidential tbh...

This is hyperbole.

It is a deliberate attempt to scaremonger people into voting for Kamala.

hobs 2y ago

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/article/2024/jul/30/donald-trump-wont-have-to-vote-anymore-fox-interview https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/article/2024/jul/30/dona... from the man's lips to your ears.

lolinder 2y ago
Did you even listen to the video clip in the article? > It’s true, because we have to get the vote out. Christians are not known as a big voting group, they don’t vote. And I’m explaining that to them. You never vote. This time, vote. I’ll straighten out the country, you won’t have to vote any more, I won’t need your vote any more, you can go back to not voting. I hate Trump as much as anyone, but deliberately misconstruing every word he says is part of what cost Democrats the election. People saw through it.
- rkeene2 2y ago
  I think that given the context that he illegally tried to retain power after losing in 2020 that many people infer something into his words about reducing the need to vote
  - dgfitz 2y ago
    No, I think lolinder is correct. People don't like being told "here is what was said, here is what was MEANT because you're not educated enough and can't possibly understand" did Harris zero favors.
    - rkeene2 2y ago
      I'm not sure in what respects you are disagreeing with me on, since I didn't mention anyone's level of education or intelligence -- I didn't mention anything about the people who interpret the statement in a benign way at all. I added my thoughts on why people would take that statement and infer some other meaning than his literal words, since those words are said as part of a broader context. This says nothing about the people who didn't do so. So, you starting a comment with "No" but then not addressing any point I made is confusing to me.
      - dgfitz 2y ago
        Cheers.
- cogman10 2y ago
  No, what cost them the election was the fact that Kamala ran a campaign of "I'm actually just a republican so you can vote for me". She dumped any sort of policy or position that'd scare away the mythical disaffected trump voter. She paraded around Liz Cheney FFS. WTF likes the Cheneys?
  - JumpCrisscross 2y ago
    > She dumped any sort of policy or position that'd scare away the mythical disaffected trump voter We just saw a national rejection of progressive politicians. To the extent she screwed up, it was in having a numpty VP instead of Shapiro and declining to be more specific on policies that would offend the left wing of the base. We’ll probably see a midterm backlash, however, so the message isn’t “everyone tack right.”
    - cogman10 2y ago
      What policy? The only leftwing policy she adopted was abortion. Otherwise, she ran on being tough on the border, upholding the 2nd amendment, and being an awesome cop. Her platform silently dumped policies like the death penalty.
      - JumpCrisscross 2y ago
        One was conciliation on Gaza, an issue inflamed by the protests and that was material in Pennsylvania, the tipping-point state she lost in. She also wasn’t “tough on the border” in any specific way—Trump channeled that anger effectively. Another was student loan modifications. This transferred wealth from non-college taxpayers to college graduates.

ilrwbwrkhv 2y ago

And hyperbole like this is why democrats lost in such a devastating fashion. + the fact that they had no brand power and marketing. Trump in a garbage truck is great marketing.

anon291 2y ago
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CabSauce 2y ago
Ah, yes. Trump won because of his well-known ability for measured and rational speaking.
- lolinder 2y ago
  That's not what they said. "Measured and rational speaking" is usually terrible marketing. It barely works on college-educated adults and certainly doesn't work on the mass market. The example they gave is Trump in a garbage truck, but that's just one way in which Trump made himself enormously appealing to the non-elite.
  - FollowingTheDao 2y ago
    They can not even understand that 80% of the country does not talk like a rich, educated liberal. It is so frustrating.
    - lolinder 2y ago
      Worse, they don't see that a near-majority of the country is actively put off by someone speaking like a rich, educated liberal. The #1 exercise Democratic politicians should do over the next 4 years is to spend hours and hours and hours actually listening to working-class people in flyover country and trying to really understand them. They just don't get it yet.

belter 2y ago

Good luck with your Health Insurance: https://edition.cnn.com/2024/10/31/politics/aca-trump-repeal-affordable-care-act/index.html https://edition.cnn.com/2024/10/31/politics/aca-trump-repeal...

lolinder 2y ago
Shifting the goal posts much? Grandparent says democracy will end, parent says that's hyperbole, you bring out healthcare?
- belter 2y ago
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danlugo92 2y ago
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FollowingTheDao 2y ago
I am on disability and use Medicare. My health access has diminished to almost zero over the last four years. What has any Democrat done fro me, the poor and suffering? Give me a break. Obama Pulled a Lucy with Medicare for all and I hate him for it.
- ben_w 2y ago
  Obama wasn't a candidate since 2012 or president since 2016.
  - DiggyJohnson 2y ago
    Presumably the person you’re replying to knows these things? Try and respond to the best interpretation of a comment instead of assuming they’re an idiot.
    - ben_w 2y ago

anon291 2y ago

Remember when all the brown people, gays, trans, blacks, and women were imprisoned in 2016? /s

cglace 2y ago
I remember when he constantly inflamed a nation in turmoil and divided.
- anon291 2y ago
  We are not divided though. He overwhelmingly won the popular vote. Sure there is an opposition, but the truth is that the majority of American voters agree with Trump (currently winning by margins of 5 million according to NYT). Yes, there's still work to be done, but the real inflamers of the nation are the mainstream media. Luckily they're slowly going away, and uniting figures like Musk, Rogan, etc are taking their place. Also, he overwhelmingly wins with hispanic men (55-45). He is walking away with hispanics overall in many swing states. Black men are now 25% in his favor. Basically every single minority margin has shifted towards president trump (Including women). At this rate he will succesfully unite the country in a few more years as the remaining stragglers come over to see common sense.
  - deleted 2y ago
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  - sulam 2y ago
    Hey dude, you may be overdosing on those pills you’re taking when you start saying things like Musk is a uniter. The red ones are fine, just limit it to one or two, okay?
    - anon291 2y ago
      Of course he is. He and his companies are well loved by the American populace writ large.

malkia 2y ago

His words: "in four years, you don't have to vote again. We'll have it fixed so good, you're not gonna have to vote." - explain! - https://www.reuters.com/world/us/trump-tells-christians-they-wont-have-vote-after-this-election-2024-07-27/ https://www.reuters.com/world/us/trump-tells-christians-they...

lolinder 2y ago
Trump already explained [0]: > It’s true, because we have to get the vote out. Christians are not known as a big voting group, they don’t vote. And I’m explaining that to them. You never vote. This time, vote. I’ll straighten out the country, you won’t have to vote any more, I won’t need your vote any more, you can go back to not voting. It was stupid phrasing and might have been a Freudian slip, but his explanation also makes sense. "The country is on the brink of {insert terrible fears here}, but we'll fix it up this term and you won't have to worry about it for a while." The man isn't known for his well-thought-out speeches, his entire schtick is speaking off the cuff, and most voters don't hold that against him. [0] https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/article/2024/jul/30/donald-trump-wont-have-to-vote-anymore-fox-interview https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/article/2024/jul/30/dona...
- ZeroGravitas 2y ago
  So even when the Christians don't vote in 4 years, they still get the things they want? What do the people who are voting get? I'd guess they get a government that via the Supreme court, gerrymandering, voter suppression, cowed media, doesn't represent their democratic interests. Which is a bad thing. There's abortion votes that passed the other day at state levels that will not be put into practice because Republicans don't want to.
- malkia 2y ago
  TLDR: In different context, but same feeling: "I need to vaccinate yourself when you are around me, but when you are no longer, I don't care". I dunno. That doesn't sound very presidential tbh...