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I hate to say it as a progressive woman, but the DNC has a non-minority problem. They need a good white/Hispanic Christian heterosexual male and they just don'

I hate to say it as a progressive woman, but the DNC has a non-minority problem. They need a good white/Hispanic Christian heterosexual male and they just don't seem to have one at this point. Gavin Newsom is the face of everything that is ( allegedly ) wrong with California. Mark Kelly is not a great speaker. They tried with Walz, but even I had a trouble imagining him going face-to-face with Putin. If there was a democratic Mark Rubio he would have mopped the floor with Trump. I wouldn't necessarily say that the country is not ready for a black female president, but I think a lot of people think that Democrats only care about minorities and I think Harris just enforced that belief.

tim333 2y ago
Josh Shapiro probably would have been a good candidate and quite likely would have been selected if there had been any competitive process to choose the best candidate rather than anointing Kamala. He may be jewish by birth but seems popular and competent. I think one of the problems with the Democrats and modern left is they have moved away from >I have a dream that my four little children will one day live in a nation where they will not be judged by the color of their skin but by their character. And towards a DEI set up where Kamala is hired because she ticks the colored and woman boxes rather than because of competence.
- nineplay 2y ago
  > And towards a DEI set up where Kamala is hired because she ticks the colored and woman boxes rather than because of competence. Biden said as much ~4 years ago and this election was probably doomed from that point on. I don't know how they are so tone-deaf.
  - Lord-Jobo 2y ago
    Because Biden won that election?
- bbatchelder 2y ago
  > He may be jewish by birth but seems popular and competent. I want to give you the benefit of the doubt here, but what in the hell man.
  - FeepingCreature 2y ago
    I get what you're seeing but it's very clearly not what that poster intended to communicate. Not: > Even though he's Jewish, meaning you would expect him to be despised and incompetent, he seems to be popular and competent Instead: > He may be jewish by birth, violating the condition for a Christian, but since he seems popular and competent that shouldn't matter so much.
    - tim333 2y ago
      Yeah.
  - exolymph 2y ago
    The point was that he's not Christian, which is a much more marketable religious affiliation in America.
  - deleted 2y ago
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- giardini 2y ago
  As one of my friends says, Democrats were running around yelling 1."Women have the right to abortion." and 2."Everyone has the right to alter their own gender!" and, while I support the above [well, not exactly: I prefer that one should, when possible, pay for their own voluntary medical procedures]. But, in any case, the above rights have no particular appeal at all to people who are neither pregnant nor gender-uncertain, which is by far the majority of the voting population. In contrast, Republicans focused on the economy and the border, two things affecting everyone.
  - nineplay 2y ago
    I think they really overestimated how many people were single issue pro-choice voters. Looking back it was the biggest part of their platform but it probably didn't move the needle much. I could tell you much more about Trump's economic plans than Harris's. I also really wish they could just stop talking about trans rights. I support them too but its a tiny part of the population and anyone who supports them is voting blue anyway. A lot of people don't get it, don't like it, and are going to vote against them given the chance. I'll also reluctantly agree with the right and say I don't see the need for trans women to compete in sports against cis women. Playing sports is not a constitutional right and I think sometimes its ok to say "I'm sorry but no."
    - xienze 2y ago
      > Playing sports is not a constitutional right and I think sometimes its ok to say "I'm sorry but no." The problem is that the left has really painted themselves into a corner with the whole “trans women are women” thing. To say that they ARE women but CAN’T compete in women’s sports would be to admit that trans women are not, in fact, the same as biological women.
      - Lord-Jobo 2y ago
        Trans women are women, but not female. The right are the only ones talking about trans people and have been for 6 years, regardless
- nineplay 2y ago
  I think Shapiro would have good _except_ for what's currently going on in Palestine. Palestine was always divisive among the left and now more than ever.
  - NickC25 2y ago
    Josh Shapiro has also stated in writing that he volunteered with the IDF, which under traditional norms is completely disqualifying for the Presidency or Vice Presidency as it's service to a foreign military.
danmaz74 2y ago
I agree that this perception about modern leftism in the West is a very big issue. Through no personal fault of Harris, I think that a lot of non-white men and white women voted for Trump because they feel like progressives don't care about (or even hate) men, whatever their color, and don't care about (or even hate) white people, whatever their gender.
ashoeafoot 2y ago
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rawgabbit 2y ago
I agree. Crazy as it sounds but in the electorate’s mind they blame the Democrats and DEI for their economic struggles. I blame the ineptness of the Democratic Party that in the voter’s mind Trump represents the working class. When Biden ran, he pointed to his working class roots at every opportunity. I believe what cost the election was that KH simply was not believed by the people working minimum wage and couldn’t afford rent.

tim333 2y ago

Josh Shapiro probably would have been a good candidate and quite likely would have been selected if there had been any competitive process to choose the best candidate rather than anointing Kamala. He may be jewish by birth but seems popular and competent. I think one of the problems with the Democrats and modern left is they have moved away from >I have a dream that my four little children will one day live in a nation where they will not be judged by the color of their skin but by their character. And towards a DEI set up where Kamala is hired because she ticks the colored and woman boxes rather than because of competence.

nineplay 2y ago
> And towards a DEI set up where Kamala is hired because she ticks the colored and woman boxes rather than because of competence. Biden said as much ~4 years ago and this election was probably doomed from that point on. I don't know how they are so tone-deaf.
- Lord-Jobo 2y ago
  Because Biden won that election?
bbatchelder 2y ago
> He may be jewish by birth but seems popular and competent. I want to give you the benefit of the doubt here, but what in the hell man.
- FeepingCreature 2y ago
  I get what you're seeing but it's very clearly not what that poster intended to communicate. Not: > Even though he's Jewish, meaning you would expect him to be despised and incompetent, he seems to be popular and competent Instead: > He may be jewish by birth, violating the condition for a Christian, but since he seems popular and competent that shouldn't matter so much.
  - tim333 2y ago
    Yeah.
- exolymph 2y ago
  The point was that he's not Christian, which is a much more marketable religious affiliation in America.
- deleted 2y ago
  [deleted]
giardini 2y ago
As one of my friends says, Democrats were running around yelling 1."Women have the right to abortion." and 2."Everyone has the right to alter their own gender!" and, while I support the above [well, not exactly: I prefer that one should, when possible, pay for their own voluntary medical procedures]. But, in any case, the above rights have no particular appeal at all to people who are neither pregnant nor gender-uncertain, which is by far the majority of the voting population. In contrast, Republicans focused on the economy and the border, two things affecting everyone.
- nineplay 2y ago
  I think they really overestimated how many people were single issue pro-choice voters. Looking back it was the biggest part of their platform but it probably didn't move the needle much. I could tell you much more about Trump's economic plans than Harris's. I also really wish they could just stop talking about trans rights. I support them too but its a tiny part of the population and anyone who supports them is voting blue anyway. A lot of people don't get it, don't like it, and are going to vote against them given the chance. I'll also reluctantly agree with the right and say I don't see the need for trans women to compete in sports against cis women. Playing sports is not a constitutional right and I think sometimes its ok to say "I'm sorry but no."
  - xienze 2y ago
    > Playing sports is not a constitutional right and I think sometimes its ok to say "I'm sorry but no." The problem is that the left has really painted themselves into a corner with the whole “trans women are women” thing. To say that they ARE women but CAN’T compete in women’s sports would be to admit that trans women are not, in fact, the same as biological women.
    - Lord-Jobo 2y ago
      Trans women are women, but not female. The right are the only ones talking about trans people and have been for 6 years, regardless
nineplay 2y ago
I think Shapiro would have good _except_ for what's currently going on in Palestine. Palestine was always divisive among the left and now more than ever.
- NickC25 2y ago
  Josh Shapiro has also stated in writing that he volunteered with the IDF, which under traditional norms is completely disqualifying for the Presidency or Vice Presidency as it's service to a foreign military.

danmaz74 2y ago

I agree that this perception about modern leftism in the West is a very big issue. Through no personal fault of Harris, I think that a lot of non-white men and white women voted for Trump because they feel like progressives don't care about (or even hate) men, whatever their color, and don't care about (or even hate) white people, whatever their gender.

ashoeafoot 2y ago

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rawgabbit 2y ago

I agree. Crazy as it sounds but in the electorate’s mind they blame the Democrats and DEI for their economic struggles. I blame the ineptness of the Democratic Party that in the voter’s mind Trump represents the working class. When Biden ran, he pointed to his working class roots at every opportunity. I believe what cost the election was that KH simply was not believed by the people working minimum wage and couldn’t afford rent.