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by ToucanLoucan 2y ago

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kernal 2y ago
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- subsection1h 2y ago
  > America has rejected your ideology, your violence LOL. Red states have the highest firearm death rates: https://www.kff.org/other/state-indicator/firearms-death-rate-per-100000/ https://www.kff.org/other/state-indicator/firearms-death-rat...
  - selimthegrim 2y ago
    I think they were talking about the literal assassinations
- Sohcahtoa82 2y ago
  > warmongering Republicans calling Democrats warmongers is probably one of those hypocritical things I'm seeing in recent years.
  - RpmReviver 2y ago
    That's because you're confusing the old definition of republicans and maga The republican party is now maga, they are not the same the maga base has been pretty consistent on being antiwar
ryandrake 2y ago
Exactly. Nobody waved a magic wand and conjured up Trump, causing people to become cruel and selfish. They are already cruel and selfish, and they simply found their man. It's not like people are just going to just stop being this way once he's gone.
abc_lisper 2y ago
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- lynx23 2y ago
  Can you please dial down the patronising sexism? Women have a right to vote, and it is not your call to declare if their decision is OK or not.
  - ToucanLoucan 2y ago
    Look I don’t know how to fly a helicopter but if I saw someone crash one into a tree, I can fairly confidently say he fucked it up. In the same way as if you’re a woman who voted voluntarily for a man explicitly campaigning on policies that will harm you, you fucked up.
    - lynx23 2y ago
      Again, that is your claim and your opinion. That doesn't mean you are eligible to decide what other people in your democracy are supposed to vote. NO, simply no. In fact, this attitude is a reason why liberals are struggling with support of the common man. You're basically implying that these women, that didn't vote like you wanted, are too stupid to realize what they did. This is plain and outright patronisation mixed with a heavy dose of old-school sexism. Stop it, you are making a fool of yourself and your political friends.
      - I-M-S 2y ago
        While I completely agree with you, I can also understand the reaction of people who happen to be passengers in the aforementioned helicopter.
        lynx23 2y ago
        Full ACK. Frustration is as human as an emotion can be. But that shouldn't lead to patronising sexism. To me, democracy is a life-long lesson. I see it as a pendulum, necessarily swinging from side to side to avoid a particular political party to establish a dictatorship. The USA, as the stereotypical two party system, demonstrates this pretty nicely. Democrats and republicans seem to pretty much take over in an alternating pattern. However, the life-lesson mentioned is, that if you're not completely centered, there will always be times when you have to cope with your political opponent having the reigns. I consider that a worthwhile challenge, to accept that you can't win all the time. In fact, its not acceptance, its the knowledge that you shouldn't win all the time, which goes much deeper actually...
stickfigure 2y ago
> he is this country, in spirit and in soul. He is half of this country. That is a very important distinction.
- ToucanLoucan 2y ago
  It's half of the people, it's the whole country. Our systems, the way we organize society, the behavior we reward, the people we idolize all fall under this. Every major (and minor!) industry is led by Trumps, tech included. Every business has a man at the top of it with not an insignificant amount in common with Trump. That's not a coincidence, it's an ongoing process. A system's purpose is what it does, and our system makes Trumps on an industrial scale. Almost every boy in America goes through a phase, at least, of wanting to be Trump: to be rich, so goddamn rich that he can do anything he wants and just pay it off, and a distressing number of them never grow out of it, and to be clear, that is a rational response. They have witnessed firsthand with their eyes, in their movies, in the world around them, by virtue of who wins, that Trumps win. All you have to do is talk smooth, accept no responsibility, assert your dominance over reality itself over and over and over, and our system will, far more often than not, reward you handsomely.
  - stickfigure 2y ago
    I have no idea what you just said. Industry lead by Trumps? You're generalizing and stereotyping far too much. This world would be a lot better off with less generalizing and stereotyping all 'round.
    - lynx23 2y ago
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      - selimthegrim 2y ago
        Berke Breathed captured this pretty accurately before he shut down Bloom County the first time.
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lynx23 2y ago
I dont know if I have ever read something as poetic and true to the point at the same time. Thanks for this priceless realisation.

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kernal 2y ago

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subsection1h 2y ago
> America has rejected your ideology, your violence LOL. Red states have the highest firearm death rates: https://www.kff.org/other/state-indicator/firearms-death-rate-per-100000/ https://www.kff.org/other/state-indicator/firearms-death-rat...
- selimthegrim 2y ago
  I think they were talking about the literal assassinations
Sohcahtoa82 2y ago
> warmongering Republicans calling Democrats warmongers is probably one of those hypocritical things I'm seeing in recent years.
- RpmReviver 2y ago
  That's because you're confusing the old definition of republicans and maga The republican party is now maga, they are not the same the maga base has been pretty consistent on being antiwar

ryandrake 2y ago

Exactly. Nobody waved a magic wand and conjured up Trump, causing people to become cruel and selfish. They are already cruel and selfish, and they simply found their man. It's not like people are just going to just stop being this way once he's gone.

abc_lisper 2y ago

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lynx23 2y ago
Can you please dial down the patronising sexism? Women have a right to vote, and it is not your call to declare if their decision is OK or not.
- ToucanLoucan 2y ago
  Look I don’t know how to fly a helicopter but if I saw someone crash one into a tree, I can fairly confidently say he fucked it up. In the same way as if you’re a woman who voted voluntarily for a man explicitly campaigning on policies that will harm you, you fucked up.
  - lynx23 2y ago
    Again, that is your claim and your opinion. That doesn't mean you are eligible to decide what other people in your democracy are supposed to vote. NO, simply no. In fact, this attitude is a reason why liberals are struggling with support of the common man. You're basically implying that these women, that didn't vote like you wanted, are too stupid to realize what they did. This is plain and outright patronisation mixed with a heavy dose of old-school sexism. Stop it, you are making a fool of yourself and your political friends.
    - I-M-S 2y ago
      While I completely agree with you, I can also understand the reaction of people who happen to be passengers in the aforementioned helicopter.
      - lynx23 2y ago
        Full ACK. Frustration is as human as an emotion can be. But that shouldn't lead to patronising sexism. To me, democracy is a life-long lesson. I see it as a pendulum, necessarily swinging from side to side to avoid a particular political party to establish a dictatorship. The USA, as the stereotypical two party system, demonstrates this pretty nicely. Democrats and republicans seem to pretty much take over in an alternating pattern. However, the life-lesson mentioned is, that if you're not completely centered, there will always be times when you have to cope with your political opponent having the reigns. I consider that a worthwhile challenge, to accept that you can't win all the time. In fact, its not acceptance, its the knowledge that you shouldn't win all the time, which goes much deeper actually...

stickfigure 2y ago

> he is this country, in spirit and in soul. He is half of this country. That is a very important distinction.

ToucanLoucan 2y ago
It's half of the people, it's the whole country. Our systems, the way we organize society, the behavior we reward, the people we idolize all fall under this. Every major (and minor!) industry is led by Trumps, tech included. Every business has a man at the top of it with not an insignificant amount in common with Trump. That's not a coincidence, it's an ongoing process. A system's purpose is what it does, and our system makes Trumps on an industrial scale. Almost every boy in America goes through a phase, at least, of wanting to be Trump: to be rich, so goddamn rich that he can do anything he wants and just pay it off, and a distressing number of them never grow out of it, and to be clear, that is a rational response. They have witnessed firsthand with their eyes, in their movies, in the world around them, by virtue of who wins, that Trumps win. All you have to do is talk smooth, accept no responsibility, assert your dominance over reality itself over and over and over, and our system will, far more often than not, reward you handsomely.
- stickfigure 2y ago
  I have no idea what you just said. Industry lead by Trumps? You're generalizing and stereotyping far too much. This world would be a lot better off with less generalizing and stereotyping all 'round.
  - lynx23 2y ago
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    - selimthegrim 2y ago
      Berke Breathed captured this pretty accurately before he shut down Bloom County the first time.
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lynx23 2y ago

I dont know if I have ever read something as poetic and true to the point at the same time. Thanks for this priceless realisation.