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This is just your monoculture speaking. Transliterations between alphabets are actually mentioned in the article, did you read it? Nobody added anything to thei

This is just your monoculture speaking. Transliterations between alphabets are actually mentioned in the article, did you read it? Nobody added anything to their alphabet, alphabets are invented and then grow and shrink organically.

f1shy 2y ago
There are other ways around without making the standard impossible to get right. Great, we have a standard that can cope with any alphabet... oh pitty that is impossible to write programs that use it correctly.
- ks2048 2y ago
  It's tricky, but that's why nearly all of the time, you should use standard libraries. E.g., in Python, ".upper()" and ".capitalize()" does the work for you.
  - f1shy 2y ago
    Does it have titleize() ?
    - ks2048 2y ago
      That is capitalize() There's a note in the docs [0], Changed in version 3.8: The first character is now put into titlecase rather than uppercase. This means that characters like digraphs will only have their first letter capitalized, instead of the full character. [0] https://docs.python.org/3/library/stdtypes.html#str.capitalize https://docs.python.org/3/library/stdtypes.html#str.capitali... EDIT: As the other reply says, ".title()" is probably a better answer to your question. Warning as the docs show [1], this splits things on sequence of letters, not whitespace! >>> "they're bill's friends from the UK".title() "They'Re Bill'S Friends From The Uk" [1] https://docs.python.org/3/library/stdtypes.html#str.title https://docs.python.org/3/library/stdtypes.html#str.title
    - o11c 2y ago
      It's `.title()`, but note that it doesn't follow language-specific semantic rules like not capitalizing "the" and "of".
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alexvitkov 2y ago
Bringing up "monoculture" here is hilarious, as this whole situation is a direct consequence of a people attempting to enforce just that by replacing their native Cyrillic alphabet with the Latin one. My native language also happens to use a Cyrillic alphabet and has letters that would translate to multiple ones in the Latin alphabet: ш -> sh щ -> sht я -> ya Somehow we manage to get by without special sh, sht, and ya unicode characters, weird.
- notpushkin 2y ago
  This exactly. Digraphs should just be deprecated and normalized to two code points.
- int_19h 2y ago
  The native alphabet for most Southern Slavs would be Glagolitic - indeed, Croatians still occasionally used that in religious contexts as late as 19th century. Cyrillic alphabet is more or less Glagolitic with new and distinct letter shapes replaced by Greek ones, so it is in an of itself a product of the same process that you are complaining about; it just happened a few centuries earlier than the transition to Latin, so you're accustomed to its outcome being the normal. I should also note that it's not like Cyrillic doesn't have its share of digraphs - that's what combinations like нь effectively are, since they signify a single phoneme. And, conversely, it's pretty obvious that you can have a Latin-based orthography with no digraphs at all, just diacritics. This whole situation has to do with legacy encodings and not much else.
  - alexvitkov 2y ago
    > The native alphabet for most Southern Slavs would be Glagolitic That's a bit of an exaggeration, the Glagolitic script was only ever used by scholars, the earliest Cyrillic writings are not not even 50 years older than the Glagolitic. You're right that the Cyrillic is indeed way closer to the Greek alphabet than the Glagolitic, despite being named after Cyril. I'm not complaining about the "forsaking of culture", I just found it interesting that I was being "mono-cultural" for disagreeing with the existence of a few weird Unicode code-points that themselves are a direct result of someone's attempt to move towards a "mono-culture". What I'm complaining against, if anything, are overly complex standards. This is just one of what's probably 100 different quirks that you should be aware of when working with Unicode text, and this one could've been easily avoided by just not including a few useless characters.

f1shy 2y ago

There are other ways around without making the standard impossible to get right. Great, we have a standard that can cope with any alphabet... oh pitty that is impossible to write programs that use it correctly.

ks2048 2y ago
It's tricky, but that's why nearly all of the time, you should use standard libraries. E.g., in Python, ".upper()" and ".capitalize()" does the work for you.
- f1shy 2y ago
  Does it have titleize() ?
  - ks2048 2y ago
    That is capitalize() There's a note in the docs [0], Changed in version 3.8: The first character is now put into titlecase rather than uppercase. This means that characters like digraphs will only have their first letter capitalized, instead of the full character. [0] https://docs.python.org/3/library/stdtypes.html#str.capitalize https://docs.python.org/3/library/stdtypes.html#str.capitali... EDIT: As the other reply says, ".title()" is probably a better answer to your question. Warning as the docs show [1], this splits things on sequence of letters, not whitespace! >>> "they're bill's friends from the UK".title() "They'Re Bill'S Friends From The Uk" [1] https://docs.python.org/3/library/stdtypes.html#str.title https://docs.python.org/3/library/stdtypes.html#str.title
  - o11c 2y ago
    It's `.title()`, but note that it doesn't follow language-specific semantic rules like not capitalizing "the" and "of".
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alexvitkov 2y ago

Bringing up "monoculture" here is hilarious, as this whole situation is a direct consequence of a people attempting to enforce just that by replacing their native Cyrillic alphabet with the Latin one. My native language also happens to use a Cyrillic alphabet and has letters that would translate to multiple ones in the Latin alphabet: ш -> sh щ -> sht я -> ya Somehow we manage to get by without special sh, sht, and ya unicode characters, weird.

notpushkin 2y ago
This exactly. Digraphs should just be deprecated and normalized to two code points.
int_19h 2y ago
The native alphabet for most Southern Slavs would be Glagolitic - indeed, Croatians still occasionally used that in religious contexts as late as 19th century. Cyrillic alphabet is more or less Glagolitic with new and distinct letter shapes replaced by Greek ones, so it is in an of itself a product of the same process that you are complaining about; it just happened a few centuries earlier than the transition to Latin, so you're accustomed to its outcome being the normal. I should also note that it's not like Cyrillic doesn't have its share of digraphs - that's what combinations like нь effectively are, since they signify a single phoneme. And, conversely, it's pretty obvious that you can have a Latin-based orthography with no digraphs at all, just diacritics. This whole situation has to do with legacy encodings and not much else.
- alexvitkov 2y ago
  > The native alphabet for most Southern Slavs would be Glagolitic That's a bit of an exaggeration, the Glagolitic script was only ever used by scholars, the earliest Cyrillic writings are not not even 50 years older than the Glagolitic. You're right that the Cyrillic is indeed way closer to the Greek alphabet than the Glagolitic, despite being named after Cyril. I'm not complaining about the "forsaking of culture", I just found it interesting that I was being "mono-cultural" for disagreeing with the existence of a few weird Unicode code-points that themselves are a direct result of someone's attempt to move towards a "mono-culture". What I'm complaining against, if anything, are overly complex standards. This is just one of what's probably 100 different quirks that you should be aware of when working with Unicode text, and this one could've been easily avoided by just not including a few useless characters.