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6 is less than 18? And I said a "certain age". Nobody thinks 6 year olds should be able to do whatever they want? My solace is I know yours is a fringe positio

6 is less than 18? And I said a "certain age". Nobody thinks 6 year olds should be able to do whatever they want? My solace is I know yours is a fringe position. Though increasingly less so.

palata 2y ago
> My solace is I know yours is a fringe position. I don't actually have an opinion on the subject in general (it's not a question where I vote). I just disagreed with what you wrote. Let me quote it again and explain: > 2. Protecting kids. I don't think kids can consent to medical gender transition. It amounts to state sanctioned child abuse. I have kids. Once you're 18 go ahead do what you want. You say here that medical gender transition should be forbidden before 18, don't you? It includes 6, but it also includes 17. When I said I disagreed with you, you said "how can you imagine doing that to a 6 years old kid?". You came up with that number all on your own. I was answering to your comment that implied "anything below 18".
- TeaBrain 2y ago
  You misread their last two comments on the 18 years old remark. The mention of 6 years was a hypothetical for if the age restriction wasn't set at 18.
  - cynicalpeace 2y ago
    Correct, they're misreading what I'm saying. But the 6 year old thing isn't a hypothetical. There are plenty of documented cases of 6 year olds being transitioned by abusive parents and doctors. There needs to be a line somewhere. Right now, in many jurisdictions, there is no line.
    - palata 2y ago
      > Correct, they're misreading what I'm saying. I did misread the part about sex, tattoos and beer. Doesn't change the fact that you said (and I quote, third time): > 2. Protecting kids. I don't think kids can consent to medical gender transition. It amounts to state sanctioned child abuse. I have kids. Once you're 18 go ahead do what you want. Which implies "they can do it once they are 18, not before". When I disagreed with that, you gave an example of 6 year olds, which is very different from 18, isn't it? > There needs to be a line somewhere. Now maybe you are misreading me. I don't say that there is no regulation needed. I am just saying that I disagree with the "they abuse kids younger than 18 and Trump will save them" rhetoric.
      - cynicalpeace 2y ago
        6 < 18 I really don't know what we're arguing about here.
        palata 2y ago
        I'll try one last time. You say "I don't think kids can consent to medical gender transition until they are 18" (I won't quote it a fourth time). I say that I disagree (because I could totally imagine a 16 year old be able to consent). Do you understand that?
        TeaBrain 2y ago
        I think you are fundamentally misunderstanding his use of English. You seem to be interpreting the structure of his sentences in a way that he wasn't intending at all.
        palata 2y ago
        Happy to learn, English is not my language. Would you mind explaining to me what this means? > I don't think kids can consent to medical gender transition. It amounts to state sanctioned child abuse. I have kids. Once you're 18 go ahead do what you want.
        meowster 2y ago
        As a bystander, I appreciate your openness and willingness. However, I'm not sure if the misunderstanding here is a language issue or the issue about kids. It seems like you view medical sex transitions as similar importance to cancer treatment? I think that is the disagreement the other person has.
        palata 2y ago
        I was mostly trying to point out that 18 years old is pretty old for something that sounds... existential. If a "kid" has tried committing suicide twice before their 16th birthday, I would feel bad telling them "but you see, you can't really tell us how you feel before you're 18".
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6 is less than 18? And I said a "certain age". Nobody thinks 6 year olds should be able to do whatever they want? My solace is I know yours is a fringe position. Though increasingly less so.

palata 2y ago

> My solace is I know yours is a fringe position. I don't actually have an opinion on the subject in general (it's not a question where I vote). I just disagreed with what you wrote. Let me quote it again and explain: > 2. Protecting kids. I don't think kids can consent to medical gender transition. It amounts to state sanctioned child abuse. I have kids. Once you're 18 go ahead do what you want. You say here that medical gender transition should be forbidden before 18, don't you? It includes 6, but it also includes 17. When I said I disagreed with you, you said "how can you imagine doing that to a 6 years old kid?". You came up with that number all on your own. I was answering to your comment that implied "anything below 18".

TeaBrain 2y ago
You misread their last two comments on the 18 years old remark. The mention of 6 years was a hypothetical for if the age restriction wasn't set at 18.
- cynicalpeace 2y ago
  Correct, they're misreading what I'm saying. But the 6 year old thing isn't a hypothetical. There are plenty of documented cases of 6 year olds being transitioned by abusive parents and doctors. There needs to be a line somewhere. Right now, in many jurisdictions, there is no line.
  - palata 2y ago
    > Correct, they're misreading what I'm saying. I did misread the part about sex, tattoos and beer. Doesn't change the fact that you said (and I quote, third time): > 2. Protecting kids. I don't think kids can consent to medical gender transition. It amounts to state sanctioned child abuse. I have kids. Once you're 18 go ahead do what you want. Which implies "they can do it once they are 18, not before". When I disagreed with that, you gave an example of 6 year olds, which is very different from 18, isn't it? > There needs to be a line somewhere. Now maybe you are misreading me. I don't say that there is no regulation needed. I am just saying that I disagree with the "they abuse kids younger than 18 and Trump will save them" rhetoric.
    - cynicalpeace 2y ago
      6 < 18 I really don't know what we're arguing about here.
      - palata 2y ago
        I'll try one last time. You say "I don't think kids can consent to medical gender transition until they are 18" (I won't quote it a fourth time). I say that I disagree (because I could totally imagine a 16 year old be able to consent). Do you understand that?
        TeaBrain 2y ago
        I think you are fundamentally misunderstanding his use of English. You seem to be interpreting the structure of his sentences in a way that he wasn't intending at all.
        palata 2y ago
        Happy to learn, English is not my language. Would you mind explaining to me what this means? > I don't think kids can consent to medical gender transition. It amounts to state sanctioned child abuse. I have kids. Once you're 18 go ahead do what you want.
        meowster 2y ago
        As a bystander, I appreciate your openness and willingness. However, I'm not sure if the misunderstanding here is a language issue or the issue about kids. It seems like you view medical sex transitions as similar importance to cancer treatment? I think that is the disagreement the other person has.
        palata 2y ago
        I was mostly trying to point out that 18 years old is pretty old for something that sounds... existential. If a "kid" has tried committing suicide twice before their 16th birthday, I would feel bad telling them "but you see, you can't really tell us how you feel before you're 18".
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