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Too bad they usurped Bernie. Now Bernie too old to run by next election. Dude was legit Bona Fide.

doctorpangloss 2y ago
How do you tell the difference between someone who would suffer a Jeremy Corbyn style catastrophic defeat, and a Keir Starmer who is the PM of the party by the same name but is basically completely different in every other way?
- thorin 2y ago
  Correct, bernie and corbyn were both well meaning with genuine ideas and were lambasted by the press, opposition and even their own parties to never stand a chance of election. Tulsi had similar issues.
  - digging 2y ago
    Tulsi Gabbard??? She is completely different, she is an opportunistic cult follower without ideals or ideas of her own. Doesn't really matter much now though.
    - 0dayz 2y ago
      Because they believe in progressive populism.
- cm2187 2y ago
  Agree with the Corbyn analogy, but let's not overstate Starmer's electoral appeal. He got less votes than Corbyn. What got him elected is that tory voters didn't show up to vote because of tory policies.
modeless 2y ago
I don't think Bernie could have won.
- Glyptodon 2y ago
  I do. Even my Fox News grandma liked him. So many people were looking for an excuse to not vote for Trump without feeling blackmailed into HC in 2016.
- adamtaylor_13 2y ago
  The number of people I know who voted for Trump, AND Bernie—is incredibly high. Now we'll never know!
- roncesvalles 2y ago
  Only Bernie had a personality cult to rival Trump's. I don't think a single person loved Hillary - they were just okay with her. Many, many people fanatically loved Bernie.
  - bentcorner 2y ago
    > many people fanatically loved Bernie Loved? I still love the guy, afaik nobody else in the senate has such an authentic passion for civil rights and activism. He's real. It was a massive disservice that HC ran.
  - johnnyanmac 2y ago
    loved enough to get people out to the polls? I'm not sure. We keep underestimating human apathy. Meanwhile, Trump runs on fear, one of the best emotions to exploit for turnout.
- hackinthebochs 2y ago
  Bernie definitely would have defeated Trump. He had unique crossover appeal. Trump was extremely unpopular in 2016 and it took a historically disliked candidate to lose to him.
- dom96 2y ago
  I'm almost certain he would have.
_dark_matter_ 2y ago
Honestly I think Trump would have labeled him "3-home Bernie"[0] or something and sunk him, similar to how he sunk Warren (w/ the Pocahontas meme). Don't get me wrong, Bernie is my favorite, but no one is immune to Trump's attacks, and there is just no way to attack him back (in a way that his supports care about). [0] https://heavy.com/news/2019/06/bernie-sanders-house-home-photos/ https://heavy.com/news/2019/06/bernie-sanders-house-home-pho...
- fire_lake 2y ago
  Kamala dominated Trump in their debate, but clearly it didn’t matter.
  - _dark_matter_ 2y ago
    I'm not really talking about while debating. I just mean general attacks, both at rallies and in social media.
  - FredPret 2y ago
    Trump’s election odds took a huge and sustained dip to below 50% after that debate and his “concepts of a plan” line. Kamala then fumbled that lead.
x2tyfi 2y ago
Yeah. It feels like we missed our one chance to get money out of politics
Molitor5901 2y ago
The way the party worked against Bernie Sanders is a prime example of how it treats the average American: We make the decisions, not you, and if you don't fall in line we will crush you. Conformity, if you'll pardon me, is not a trait all those Americans who voted for Trump have, nor want. They are individuals and would like to be treated as one.
- doctorpangloss 2y ago
  He is a successful politician. The party is giant and complex. To me, the biggest factor was his support of wealth taxes, which puts him firmly in a different camp than Biden, Warren and Bloomberg, and caused him to be opposed by everybody with power in the DNC. That is the only "line" they really mean to fall into, and it doesn't even affect the average American.
- arinazari 2y ago
  This is why I un-registered and voted Jill Stein as an independent voter. That, plus the infuriating, incessant spam texts.
- frmersdog 2y ago
  >Conformity, if you'll pardon me, is not a trait all those Americans who voted for Trump have, nor want. I'm sure that's what all 72 million of them think. Including the ones (the majority?) who don't like Trump, but who thought a vote for Harris was anathema. Anyway, I wrote in Bernie. Yes, yesterday.
- a_victorp 2y ago
  Thanks for this comment! That does seem to explain a lot of why Dems keep losing. Americans are, first and foremost, for individual freedom and the DNC has a tendency to want to bypass that

How do you tell the difference between someone who would suffer a Jeremy Corbyn style catastrophic defeat, and a Keir Starmer who is the PM of the party by the same name but is basically completely different in every other way?

thorin 2y ago
Correct, bernie and corbyn were both well meaning with genuine ideas and were lambasted by the press, opposition and even their own parties to never stand a chance of election. Tulsi had similar issues.
- digging 2y ago
  Tulsi Gabbard??? She is completely different, she is an opportunistic cult follower without ideals or ideas of her own. Doesn't really matter much now though.
  - 0dayz 2y ago
    Because they believe in progressive populism.
cm2187 2y ago
Agree with the Corbyn analogy, but let's not overstate Starmer's electoral appeal. He got less votes than Corbyn. What got him elected is that tory voters didn't show up to vote because of tory policies.

modeless 2y ago

I don't think Bernie could have won.

Glyptodon 2y ago
I do. Even my Fox News grandma liked him. So many people were looking for an excuse to not vote for Trump without feeling blackmailed into HC in 2016.
adamtaylor_13 2y ago
The number of people I know who voted for Trump, AND Bernie—is incredibly high. Now we'll never know!
roncesvalles 2y ago
Only Bernie had a personality cult to rival Trump's. I don't think a single person loved Hillary - they were just okay with her. Many, many people fanatically loved Bernie.
- bentcorner 2y ago
  > many people fanatically loved Bernie Loved? I still love the guy, afaik nobody else in the senate has such an authentic passion for civil rights and activism. He's real. It was a massive disservice that HC ran.
- johnnyanmac 2y ago
  loved enough to get people out to the polls? I'm not sure. We keep underestimating human apathy. Meanwhile, Trump runs on fear, one of the best emotions to exploit for turnout.
hackinthebochs 2y ago
Bernie definitely would have defeated Trump. He had unique crossover appeal. Trump was extremely unpopular in 2016 and it took a historically disliked candidate to lose to him.
dom96 2y ago
I'm almost certain he would have.

_dark_matter_ 2y ago

Honestly I think Trump would have labeled him "3-home Bernie"[0] or something and sunk him, similar to how he sunk Warren (w/ the Pocahontas meme). Don't get me wrong, Bernie is my favorite, but no one is immune to Trump's attacks, and there is just no way to attack him back (in a way that his supports care about). [0] https://heavy.com/news/2019/06/bernie-sanders-house-home-photos/ https://heavy.com/news/2019/06/bernie-sanders-house-home-pho...

fire_lake 2y ago
Kamala dominated Trump in their debate, but clearly it didn’t matter.
- _dark_matter_ 2y ago
  I'm not really talking about while debating. I just mean general attacks, both at rallies and in social media.
- FredPret 2y ago
  Trump’s election odds took a huge and sustained dip to below 50% after that debate and his “concepts of a plan” line. Kamala then fumbled that lead.

x2tyfi 2y ago

Yeah. It feels like we missed our one chance to get money out of politics

Molitor5901 2y ago

The way the party worked against Bernie Sanders is a prime example of how it treats the average American: We make the decisions, not you, and if you don't fall in line we will crush you. Conformity, if you'll pardon me, is not a trait all those Americans who voted for Trump have, nor want. They are individuals and would like to be treated as one.

doctorpangloss 2y ago
He is a successful politician. The party is giant and complex. To me, the biggest factor was his support of wealth taxes, which puts him firmly in a different camp than Biden, Warren and Bloomberg, and caused him to be opposed by everybody with power in the DNC. That is the only "line" they really mean to fall into, and it doesn't even affect the average American.
arinazari 2y ago
This is why I un-registered and voted Jill Stein as an independent voter. That, plus the infuriating, incessant spam texts.
frmersdog 2y ago
>Conformity, if you'll pardon me, is not a trait all those Americans who voted for Trump have, nor want. I'm sure that's what all 72 million of them think. Including the ones (the majority?) who don't like Trump, but who thought a vote for Harris was anathema. Anyway, I wrote in Bernie. Yes, yesterday.
a_victorp 2y ago
Thanks for this comment! That does seem to explain a lot of why Dems keep losing. Americans are, first and foremost, for individual freedom and the DNC has a tendency to want to bypass that