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trump is the most anti-war president of my lifetime, i don't know how anyone is accusing him of using or misusing the military. what is it specifically about a

by 93po 2y ago

trump is the most anti-war president of my lifetime, i don't know how anyone is accusing him of using or misusing the military. what is it specifically about a second term that allows him to rig all future elections? what is different this time that wasn't true in 2016?

BadHumans 2y ago
> trump is the most anti-war president of my lifetime, i don't know how anyone is accusing him of using or misusing the military Trump is going to let Israel flatten Gaza, Russia take Ukraine, and possibly China engage Taiwan but anti-war. No one is accusing him of misusing the military yet. > what is it specifically about a second term that allows him to rig all future elections? what is different this time that wasn't true in 2016? A majority in Congress, a loyal Republican heavy Supreme Court, and the presidency as well as the desire to stay out of jail.
- whamlastxmas 2y ago
  Exactly their point - I/they don't want the US to get directly involved in those situations. It would make it worse. The US doesn't need to be getting into wars, especially not with nuclear superpowers. The supreme court balance is the same as it was when he was president, Republicans had the majority in the House from the beginning of Trump’s presidency in January 2017 until the 2018 midterm elections, when the Democrats won control of the House, and Republicans had the majority in the Senate for the entirety of Trump’s presidency. literally nothing is different this time that's going to let him round up people into camps and turn himself into god-emperor. if he was interested in abusing power in completely new ways he would have pardoned himself before he left office.
  - kelnos 2y ago
    > The supreme court balance is the same as it was when he was president I think it's a safe bet that Thomas and Alito will step down in the next two years and be replaced by similarly right-wing justices, just much younger. The court will be majority hard-right for the rest of my life. > literally nothing is different this time This time he and his supporters are prepared. If you look at Trump in 2016, he seemed genuinely surprised he won. His transition team was ad-hoc and clumsy. His cabinet and advisory picks ended up being sub-optimal for him, as he kept appointing people who wouldn't go as far as he wanted to. Project 2025 is a thing now, and is a playbook for weakening and subverting the US federal government -- except in areas where conservatives want to keep power so they can impose it on states that don't share their ideology. And any time states complain, SCOTUS will tell them to stuff it.
  - BadHumans 2y ago
    The US is not directly involved in any of those situations and all of those situations have consequences for the US even if they are not involved, especially Taiwan.
    - whamlastxmas 2y ago
      Okay, so do something about it that doesn’t result in the deaths of hundreds of thousands and displaces millions. So far that’s what the US does, and the US being unable to get our precious microchips doesn’t mean we get to bomb the ever living shit out of a foreign country
      - BadHumans 2y ago
        I don't think we are currently bombing anyone for microchips so I have no idea what you are talking about.
anigbrowl 2y ago
No he isn't. He crapped all over Obama for ending the war in Iraq, along with most other Republicans. He kept the US in Afghanistan for his whole term and sabotaged the US exist on the way out, by setting a date far in the future, drawing down most US military assets, and negotiating the release of ~5000 Taliban who went right back to fighting. His policy toward Putin was pure appeasement. Please find me any Republicans who gave Obama credit for ending the Iraq war - in his first term no less. https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/fact-checking-donald-trumps-foreign-policy-speech/story?id=41397433 https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/fact-checking-donald-trumps-...
consteval 2y ago
> i don't know how anyone is accusing him of using or misusing the military Because he explicitly stated he wants to use the military domestically to retain power and clean out the US? Are we really meant to just... not believe the words Trump says? On the topic of Trump?
- BadHumans 2y ago
  When they agree with him he's serious and when they don't he's joking or being misunderstood. That is how cults operate.
- foxglacier 2y ago
  If you're talking about the same statement I think you are, he was saying he wanted to use the military to stop violence by radical leftists on election day. Yea, that's actually a good thing to ensure you have peaceful elections. Why are so many people so clearly misinterpreting him? Do your own homework instead of trusting what activists on the internet tell you to believe.
  - 93po 2y ago
    > Why are so many people so clearly misinterpreting him? because they believe everything they're told by corporate news companies owned by billionaires who are financially invested in non-trump candidates
  - consteval 2y ago
    > stop violence by radical leftists on election day Yes, because, historically, leftists get incredibly violent on election day. Also this is not ALL he said. He has pledged to recall thousands of American soldiers overseas and station them at the US border. Trump has plans for a mass deportation, affecting millions of Americans, many citizens. Perhaps you were ignorant of this fact, for which I forgive you. But you are ignorant no longer, so next time I will be forced to believe you are intentionally deceptive.
    - foxglacier 2y ago

by 93po 2y ago

BadHumans 2y ago

> trump is the most anti-war president of my lifetime, i don't know how anyone is accusing him of using or misusing the military Trump is going to let Israel flatten Gaza, Russia take Ukraine, and possibly China engage Taiwan but anti-war. No one is accusing him of misusing the military yet. > what is it specifically about a second term that allows him to rig all future elections? what is different this time that wasn't true in 2016? A majority in Congress, a loyal Republican heavy Supreme Court, and the presidency as well as the desire to stay out of jail.

whamlastxmas 2y ago
Exactly their point - I/they don't want the US to get directly involved in those situations. It would make it worse. The US doesn't need to be getting into wars, especially not with nuclear superpowers. The supreme court balance is the same as it was when he was president, Republicans had the majority in the House from the beginning of Trump’s presidency in January 2017 until the 2018 midterm elections, when the Democrats won control of the House, and Republicans had the majority in the Senate for the entirety of Trump’s presidency. literally nothing is different this time that's going to let him round up people into camps and turn himself into god-emperor. if he was interested in abusing power in completely new ways he would have pardoned himself before he left office.
- kelnos 2y ago
  > The supreme court balance is the same as it was when he was president I think it's a safe bet that Thomas and Alito will step down in the next two years and be replaced by similarly right-wing justices, just much younger. The court will be majority hard-right for the rest of my life. > literally nothing is different this time This time he and his supporters are prepared. If you look at Trump in 2016, he seemed genuinely surprised he won. His transition team was ad-hoc and clumsy. His cabinet and advisory picks ended up being sub-optimal for him, as he kept appointing people who wouldn't go as far as he wanted to. Project 2025 is a thing now, and is a playbook for weakening and subverting the US federal government -- except in areas where conservatives want to keep power so they can impose it on states that don't share their ideology. And any time states complain, SCOTUS will tell them to stuff it.
- BadHumans 2y ago
  The US is not directly involved in any of those situations and all of those situations have consequences for the US even if they are not involved, especially Taiwan.
  - whamlastxmas 2y ago
    Okay, so do something about it that doesn’t result in the deaths of hundreds of thousands and displaces millions. So far that’s what the US does, and the US being unable to get our precious microchips doesn’t mean we get to bomb the ever living shit out of a foreign country
    - BadHumans 2y ago
      I don't think we are currently bombing anyone for microchips so I have no idea what you are talking about.

anigbrowl 2y ago

No he isn't. He crapped all over Obama for ending the war in Iraq, along with most other Republicans. He kept the US in Afghanistan for his whole term and sabotaged the US exist on the way out, by setting a date far in the future, drawing down most US military assets, and negotiating the release of ~5000 Taliban who went right back to fighting. His policy toward Putin was pure appeasement. Please find me any Republicans who gave Obama credit for ending the Iraq war - in his first term no less. https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/fact-checking-donald-trumps-foreign-policy-speech/story?id=41397433 https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/fact-checking-donald-trumps-...

consteval 2y ago

> i don't know how anyone is accusing him of using or misusing the military Because he explicitly stated he wants to use the military domestically to retain power and clean out the US? Are we really meant to just... not believe the words Trump says? On the topic of Trump?

BadHumans 2y ago
When they agree with him he's serious and when they don't he's joking or being misunderstood. That is how cults operate.
foxglacier 2y ago
If you're talking about the same statement I think you are, he was saying he wanted to use the military to stop violence by radical leftists on election day. Yea, that's actually a good thing to ensure you have peaceful elections. Why are so many people so clearly misinterpreting him? Do your own homework instead of trusting what activists on the internet tell you to believe.
- 93po 2y ago
  > Why are so many people so clearly misinterpreting him? because they believe everything they're told by corporate news companies owned by billionaires who are financially invested in non-trump candidates
- consteval 2y ago
  > stop violence by radical leftists on election day Yes, because, historically, leftists get incredibly violent on election day. Also this is not ALL he said. He has pledged to recall thousands of American soldiers overseas and station them at the US border. Trump has plans for a mass deportation, affecting millions of Americans, many citizens. Perhaps you were ignorant of this fact, for which I forgive you. But you are ignorant no longer, so next time I will be forced to believe you are intentionally deceptive.
  - foxglacier 2y ago