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We're back to a browser monoculture, Chrome, and Google controls browsers to maliciously cripple ad blocking because it affects their bottom line. DRM is rampa

We're back to a browser monoculture, Chrome, and Google controls browsers to maliciously cripple ad blocking because it affects their bottom line. DRM is rampant. Network neutrality is moribund at best. Power is increasingly concentrated in the hands of a few megacorps so you and I can't, for example, run our own email servers if we expect to actually be able to communicate with users of Google or Microsoft. AI companies get rich doing things that would be illegal for you and me, such as hoovering up copyrighted works without paying for them. Surveillance is pervasive. That's just off the top of my head.

mmooss 2y ago
There are many problems, but that's not evidence that Mozilla's programs are ineffective. People have many health problems and diseases, but that doesn't mean the healthcare system in ineffective. What it shows is that we need Mozilla and healthcare. > We're back to a browser monoculture, Chrome, and Google controls browsers Don't forget Apple's browsers, including all the iPhone users.
- stackghost 2y ago
  >People have many health problems and diseases, but that doesn't mean the healthcare system in ineffective. This is a deeply flawed analogy, and the two situations are superficially similar at best.
  - mmooss 2y ago
    Unless you share your reasoning, it's just a baseless claim. Also, what about the issue, whether or not you happen to like the analogy?
    - stackghost 2y ago
      HN is a very poor medium for this type of conversation, so I'm just going to move on
      - mmooss 2y ago
        What is the motivation for saying these things? You aren't the only one - lots of people on HN do it, especially today for some reason. It's some sort of rhetorical game or social activity, but I don't quite understand it. I'm genuinely trying to understand.
        stackghost 2y ago
        HN is just not a very good platform for discussions that go more than 4-5 replies. The UI is just poorly suited for protracted discussions, to the point that I'm not interested in continuing this comment chain.
- JohnFen 2y ago
  > What it shows is that we need Mozilla and healthcare. I agree, although I'd say that we need a mozilla-like effort that is effective. > Don't forget Apple's browsers, including all the iPhone users. Sure, but Apple's world is effectively a monoculture itself. If you don't buy into Apple and their ecosystem, the existence of those things is irrelevant.
  - mmooss 2y ago
    > Sure, but Apple's world is effectively a monoculture itself. If you don't buy into Apple and their ecosystem, the existence of those things is irrelevant. Not in this context: Someone claimed above that the web browser market was a monoculture of only Google Chrome. Apple browsers has a large market share, so it's not a monoculture.
    - JohnFen 2y ago
      By that I mean is that in order to use Apple's software, you have to join Apple's entire ecosystem. That means it's not really an alternative if you otherwise find Apple's products unacceptable.
      - mmooss 2y ago
        You can use iPhones without using any other Apple products.

mmooss 2y ago

There are many problems, but that's not evidence that Mozilla's programs are ineffective. People have many health problems and diseases, but that doesn't mean the healthcare system in ineffective. What it shows is that we need Mozilla and healthcare. > We're back to a browser monoculture, Chrome, and Google controls browsers Don't forget Apple's browsers, including all the iPhone users.

stackghost 2y ago
>People have many health problems and diseases, but that doesn't mean the healthcare system in ineffective. This is a deeply flawed analogy, and the two situations are superficially similar at best.
- mmooss 2y ago
  Unless you share your reasoning, it's just a baseless claim. Also, what about the issue, whether or not you happen to like the analogy?
  - stackghost 2y ago
    HN is a very poor medium for this type of conversation, so I'm just going to move on
    - mmooss 2y ago
      What is the motivation for saying these things? You aren't the only one - lots of people on HN do it, especially today for some reason. It's some sort of rhetorical game or social activity, but I don't quite understand it. I'm genuinely trying to understand.
      - stackghost 2y ago
        HN is just not a very good platform for discussions that go more than 4-5 replies. The UI is just poorly suited for protracted discussions, to the point that I'm not interested in continuing this comment chain.
JohnFen 2y ago
> What it shows is that we need Mozilla and healthcare. I agree, although I'd say that we need a mozilla-like effort that is effective. > Don't forget Apple's browsers, including all the iPhone users. Sure, but Apple's world is effectively a monoculture itself. If you don't buy into Apple and their ecosystem, the existence of those things is irrelevant.
- mmooss 2y ago
  > Sure, but Apple's world is effectively a monoculture itself. If you don't buy into Apple and their ecosystem, the existence of those things is irrelevant. Not in this context: Someone claimed above that the web browser market was a monoculture of only Google Chrome. Apple browsers has a large market share, so it's not a monoculture.
  - JohnFen 2y ago
    By that I mean is that in order to use Apple's software, you have to join Apple's entire ecosystem. That means it's not really an alternative if you otherwise find Apple's products unacceptable.
    - mmooss 2y ago
      You can use iPhones without using any other Apple products.