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You act like the guy didn't himself say he wanted to use the military on people who disagreed with him or that he just needed people to vote one more time and a

You act like the guy didn't himself say he wanted to use the military on people who disagreed with him or that he just needed people to vote one more time and after that they would rig it so you didn't need to vote again. Comments like this make me wonder if people are actually paying attention.

brodouevencode 2y ago
The rhetoric has only amplified in negative ways since he came on the scene in 2015. I don't know who kicked it off, and don't think it matters. Both sides are equally guilty for the hatred they've spewed.
- BadHumans 2y ago
  Both sides are not equally guilty and the "both sides are the same" rhetoric is tired and old.
  - brodouevencode 2y ago
    > Both sides are not equally guilty Yes they most certainly are.
    - BadHumans 2y ago
      You're going to have to point me to when the Democratic nominee said we should kill political rivals. Since both sides are equal. Because I can point to when the Republican nominee said it[0]. [0] https://www.cnn.com/2024/11/01/politics/donald-trump-liz-cheney-war-hawk-battle/index.html https://www.cnn.com/2024/11/01/politics/donald-trump-liz-che...
      - amadeuspagel 2y ago
        > Let’s put her with a rifle standing there with nine barrels shooting at her, OK? You generally don't give a rifle to people you want to kill. Trump was making an obvious and anodyne point, which has been made time and again, in song and story, which is that war hawks generally don't fight in the wars they cheer for.
      - brodouevencode 2y ago
        Take more quotes out of context to support your priors. Thats what cultists do.
93po 2y ago
trump is the most anti-war president of my lifetime, i don't know how anyone is accusing him of using or misusing the military. what is it specifically about a second term that allows him to rig all future elections? what is different this time that wasn't true in 2016?
- BadHumans 2y ago
  > trump is the most anti-war president of my lifetime, i don't know how anyone is accusing him of using or misusing the military Trump is going to let Israel flatten Gaza, Russia take Ukraine, and possibly China engage Taiwan but anti-war. No one is accusing him of misusing the military yet. > what is it specifically about a second term that allows him to rig all future elections? what is different this time that wasn't true in 2016? A majority in Congress, a loyal Republican heavy Supreme Court, and the presidency as well as the desire to stay out of jail.
  - whamlastxmas 2y ago
    Exactly their point - I/they don't want the US to get directly involved in those situations. It would make it worse. The US doesn't need to be getting into wars, especially not with nuclear superpowers. The supreme court balance is the same as it was when he was president, Republicans had the majority in the House from the beginning of Trump’s presidency in January 2017 until the 2018 midterm elections, when the Democrats won control of the House, and Republicans had the majority in the Senate for the entirety of Trump’s presidency. literally nothing is different this time that's going to let him round up people into camps and turn himself into god-emperor. if he was interested in abusing power in completely new ways he would have pardoned himself before he left office.
    - kelnos 2y ago
      > The supreme court balance is the same as it was when he was president I think it's a safe bet that Thomas and Alito will step down in the next two years and be replaced by similarly right-wing justices, just much younger. The court will be majority hard-right for the rest of my life. > literally nothing is different this time This time he and his supporters are prepared. If you look at Trump in 2016, he seemed genuinely surprised he won. His transition team was ad-hoc and clumsy. His cabinet and advisory picks ended up being sub-optimal for him, as he kept appointing people who wouldn't go as far as he wanted to. Project 2025 is a thing now, and is a playbook for weakening and subverting the US federal government -- except in areas where conservatives want to keep power so they can impose it on states that don't share their ideology. And any time states complain, SCOTUS will tell them to stuff it.
foxglacier 2y ago
I've never heard that before. Have you got a link to those statements? I suspect you're not accurately representing their meaning in your summary.
- Balladeer 2y ago
  "...get out and vote, just this time. You won't have to do it anymore. Four more years, you know what? It'll be fixed, it'll be fine. You won't have to vote anymore." https://youtu.be/gE7xoHJkgvE?si=MVL_GibOGn2WDpLV&t=18 https://youtu.be/gE7xoHJkgvE?si=MVL_GibOGn2WDpLV&t=18 "I think the bigger problem are the people from within. We have some very bad people, we have some sick people, radical left lunatics...and it should be very easily handled by, if necessary, by National Guard or if really necessary by the military." https://youtu.be/BfSAOPPSYC8?si=C-6ZUrvU0yoFl9Aw&t=22 https://youtu.be/BfSAOPPSYC8?si=C-6ZUrvU0yoFl9Aw&t=22
  - 93po 2y ago
    This is a groan worthy interpretation. He’s saying you won’t have to vote based on those issues anymore because they’ll be fixed. In the second he’s talking about managing physical discord, not rounding up people minding their own business in their homes or saying whatever on twitter. And he’s saying it specifically in the context of protecting the election process. He’s literally advocating for safe and harmonic voting. This is why anti Trump rhetoric is exhausting. People grasp at the shortest of straws and make claims that basically feel like I’m being lied to. There are endless real things to attack Trump on. Please stop lying to me and telling me he’s literally Hitler. He’s not, he’s just racist and shitty.
    - valval 2y ago
      >He’s just racist and shitty Frankly he’s neither of those things either.
  - foxglacier 2y ago
    Thanks. Parent (BadHumans) clearly got the meaning wrong on both of them and somehow never bothered to check the source or willfully misunderstood it.

brodouevencode 2y ago

The rhetoric has only amplified in negative ways since he came on the scene in 2015. I don't know who kicked it off, and don't think it matters. Both sides are equally guilty for the hatred they've spewed.

BadHumans 2y ago
Both sides are not equally guilty and the "both sides are the same" rhetoric is tired and old.
- brodouevencode 2y ago
  > Both sides are not equally guilty Yes they most certainly are.
  - BadHumans 2y ago
    You're going to have to point me to when the Democratic nominee said we should kill political rivals. Since both sides are equal. Because I can point to when the Republican nominee said it[0]. [0] https://www.cnn.com/2024/11/01/politics/donald-trump-liz-cheney-war-hawk-battle/index.html https://www.cnn.com/2024/11/01/politics/donald-trump-liz-che...
    - amadeuspagel 2y ago
      > Let’s put her with a rifle standing there with nine barrels shooting at her, OK? You generally don't give a rifle to people you want to kill. Trump was making an obvious and anodyne point, which has been made time and again, in song and story, which is that war hawks generally don't fight in the wars they cheer for.
    - brodouevencode 2y ago
      Take more quotes out of context to support your priors. Thats what cultists do.

93po 2y ago

trump is the most anti-war president of my lifetime, i don't know how anyone is accusing him of using or misusing the military. what is it specifically about a second term that allows him to rig all future elections? what is different this time that wasn't true in 2016?

BadHumans 2y ago
> trump is the most anti-war president of my lifetime, i don't know how anyone is accusing him of using or misusing the military Trump is going to let Israel flatten Gaza, Russia take Ukraine, and possibly China engage Taiwan but anti-war. No one is accusing him of misusing the military yet. > what is it specifically about a second term that allows him to rig all future elections? what is different this time that wasn't true in 2016? A majority in Congress, a loyal Republican heavy Supreme Court, and the presidency as well as the desire to stay out of jail.
- whamlastxmas 2y ago
  Exactly their point - I/they don't want the US to get directly involved in those situations. It would make it worse. The US doesn't need to be getting into wars, especially not with nuclear superpowers. The supreme court balance is the same as it was when he was president, Republicans had the majority in the House from the beginning of Trump’s presidency in January 2017 until the 2018 midterm elections, when the Democrats won control of the House, and Republicans had the majority in the Senate for the entirety of Trump’s presidency. literally nothing is different this time that's going to let him round up people into camps and turn himself into god-emperor. if he was interested in abusing power in completely new ways he would have pardoned himself before he left office.
  - kelnos 2y ago
    > The supreme court balance is the same as it was when he was president I think it's a safe bet that Thomas and Alito will step down in the next two years and be replaced by similarly right-wing justices, just much younger. The court will be majority hard-right for the rest of my life. > literally nothing is different this time This time he and his supporters are prepared. If you look at Trump in 2016, he seemed genuinely surprised he won. His transition team was ad-hoc and clumsy. His cabinet and advisory picks ended up being sub-optimal for him, as he kept appointing people who wouldn't go as far as he wanted to. Project 2025 is a thing now, and is a playbook for weakening and subverting the US federal government -- except in areas where conservatives want to keep power so they can impose it on states that don't share their ideology. And any time states complain, SCOTUS will tell them to stuff it.

foxglacier 2y ago

I've never heard that before. Have you got a link to those statements? I suspect you're not accurately representing their meaning in your summary.

Balladeer 2y ago
"...get out and vote, just this time. You won't have to do it anymore. Four more years, you know what? It'll be fixed, it'll be fine. You won't have to vote anymore." https://youtu.be/gE7xoHJkgvE?si=MVL_GibOGn2WDpLV&t=18 https://youtu.be/gE7xoHJkgvE?si=MVL_GibOGn2WDpLV&t=18 "I think the bigger problem are the people from within. We have some very bad people, we have some sick people, radical left lunatics...and it should be very easily handled by, if necessary, by National Guard or if really necessary by the military." https://youtu.be/BfSAOPPSYC8?si=C-6ZUrvU0yoFl9Aw&t=22 https://youtu.be/BfSAOPPSYC8?si=C-6ZUrvU0yoFl9Aw&t=22
- 93po 2y ago
  This is a groan worthy interpretation. He’s saying you won’t have to vote based on those issues anymore because they’ll be fixed. In the second he’s talking about managing physical discord, not rounding up people minding their own business in their homes or saying whatever on twitter. And he’s saying it specifically in the context of protecting the election process. He’s literally advocating for safe and harmonic voting. This is why anti Trump rhetoric is exhausting. People grasp at the shortest of straws and make claims that basically feel like I’m being lied to. There are endless real things to attack Trump on. Please stop lying to me and telling me he’s literally Hitler. He’s not, he’s just racist and shitty.
  - valval 2y ago
    >He’s just racist and shitty Frankly he’s neither of those things either.
- foxglacier 2y ago
  Thanks. Parent (BadHumans) clearly got the meaning wrong on both of them and somehow never bothered to check the source or willfully misunderstood it.