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They won't. These candidates are aligned with the Democrats. That's what the party is. It's not a party of the left or liberals or whatever you imagine it to

They won't. These candidates are aligned with the Democrats. That's what the party is. It's not a party of the left or liberals or whatever you imagine it to be. They've been extremely clear on this. Go over the historicals. I have. Many times. This is correct.

adastra22 2y ago
The Republican Party seems to be able to put forward a candidate the electorate want. What can’t the democrats?
- mjamesaustin 2y ago
  The Democratic primary process is rife with superdelegates and other rules designed to promote candidates aligned with the party insiders. The Republican primary process doesn't have as many ways for party members to put their fingers on the scale.
  - kristopolous 2y ago
    Exactly. Also they've misappropriated words like "leftist" and "socialist" so much that in my interaction with Trump supporters, at Trump events, I hear plenty of actual left and actual socialist policies presented as new ideas or attributed to Trump. At a policy level, these people actually don't want neofascism, I've interacted with plenty. They really don't. The Democrats tried to appeal to the hard right voter who found Trump icky. For that they were called socialist so and I know this is hard, people I spoke with associated the word socialism with the policies of Harris
    - mrguyorama 2y ago
      >For that they were called socialist so and I know this is hard, people I spoke with associated the word socialism with the policies of Harris What the hell are the democrats supposed to do to oppose a party that gets to redefine language however it wants with seemingly great effect? America spent 100 years demonizing socialism. Not the policies, the word. And now republicans can just deploy it against whoever, because it doesn't have a meaning to US voters. What possible strategy is there against that? My "democrat for life" (because republicans wanted to fucking murder the french catholics in the area, lookup the KKK in Maine) would vote against "socialism"! The US is a uni-party state at the federal level. You either play with the republicans, or you will be labeled "socialist", no matter the objective reality, and you will lose.
      - idunnoman1222 2y ago
        The same response if someone calls you a racist white man. Dgaf
      - kristopolous 2y ago
        Well since actual socialist policies like housing, health care, retirement benefits, childcare support, reducing homelessness, infrastructure funding, jobs programs and wage increases are incredibly popular when put in front of voters, the Democrats should just do actual socialism instead of trying to run away from it saying "nuh uh!"
- kristopolous 2y ago
  Because they're a specific political project. Radical centrism is a common term but the "left/center/right" is a bad name. Things are much more complicated. There was clearly a winning path with say, Bernie in 2016. The state by state Bernie/Trump matchup polling data consistently predicted a clear and decisive victory. Or, maybe Estes Kefauver 1952, or go back to the 40s and Gallup predicted Henry Wallace would have had a 1936 style landslide instead of the squeak they won with Truman. As a hobby I've poured over archives of primaries, old newspapers, speeches, going back even to Hannibal Hamlin, Lincoln's first VP and how he got replaced. I continue to claim that any actual left project (as opposed to whatever the propaganda industry is deciding to imagine the left is) would be far more successful under a Republican flag because they aren't as committed to the neoimperialist project. That's why the Democrats had all the warring Republicans on their side this time.
- ragnese 2y ago
  Both Hilary Clinton and Joe Biden got more votes than Donald Trump. The Democrats have a better track record of picking the more popular candidate that the electorate wants in recent history. In fact, the Democratic candidate has won the popular vote in all four of the most recent elections before this one (from 2008 - 2020, inclusive).
  - kristopolous 2y ago
    Except maybe for Obama, they were all lousy. Barely beating an incompetent criminal who sold presidential powers as private services and stole stuff from the Whitehouse, that's not impressive.
    - ragnese 2y ago
      1. I didn't say it was impressive. Just refuting the claim that the Republican party puts forth candidates that the electorate wants while the Democratic party does not. 2. Nobody has beaten Trump since he's been a convicted criminal, lied about winning an election he didn't, or stole classified documents from the White House. So it doesn't make sense to discuss "barely beating an incompetent [...]" in the context of my comment that refers only to Democratic candidates who ran before those things happened.
      - kristopolous 2y ago
        The sentiment is Republicans are focused on winning while Democrats are focused on a deeply unpopular corporate-imperialist political project and scolding people into voting for them. They will occasionally virtue signal elsewhere but their policies only align with the project Progressive policies on minimum wage, labor and other things won in Red States once again. Nebraska's minimum wage increase, for instance, went 75-25. 60% for Trump, 75% for minimum wage increase. It's important to realize the Democrats have no interest in those. Absolutely zero. Their project is bowing down to companies like Wells Fargo, Equifax, Lockheed Martin, and General Motors and that's it.
        2y ago
- parasubvert 2y ago
  The base of the Democratic Party are moderate black people. They elect the candidate they want.
  - adastra22 2y ago
    The base of the Democratic Party is a lot larger than that one demographic. Black voters are less than 20% of the Democratic Party voter base.
    - parasubvert 2y ago
      That's if you count the entire coalition and don't take into account likely voters or primary voters. I'm talking about reliable 90%+ will always vote D people and will show up on election day, the mainstays of the party, which is the biggest bloc of the Democratic Party coalition. https://www.pewresearch.org/politics/2021/11/09/the-democratic-coalition/ https://www.pewresearch.org/politics/2021/11/09/the-democrat... The largest bloc of the coalition are these mainstays, who tend to be older moderates. And almost half of these people are black. That's what I mean by "base". They lead the way of who the party chooses as a candidate.
  - kristopolous 2y ago
    The proper base is radical centrists and neoliberal ideologues. A bunch of people sometimes show up but the base is people who think warhawks like Dick Cheney, William Kristol and Henry Kissinger are heroes and chronically wrong people like Francis Fukuyama are brilliant statesmen. They're already saber rattling "Russia stole it" conspiracy theories about why they lost. Check Twitter. They're dumbfucks who are deeply committed to the bankrupt political project that brought you Afghanistan and Iraq
    - parasubvert 2y ago
      That's not even a plurality of the party, it's a faction. Very online people are reflective of a sliver of the party.
kwere 2y ago
DNC argued that they are a private organization and can do what they want In "Wilding v. DNC Services Corp." case (2017) in response to screwing the dem nomination from Bernie hands in favour of Hillay

adastra22 2y ago

The Republican Party seems to be able to put forward a candidate the electorate want. What can’t the democrats?

mjamesaustin 2y ago
The Democratic primary process is rife with superdelegates and other rules designed to promote candidates aligned with the party insiders. The Republican primary process doesn't have as many ways for party members to put their fingers on the scale.
- kristopolous 2y ago
  Exactly. Also they've misappropriated words like "leftist" and "socialist" so much that in my interaction with Trump supporters, at Trump events, I hear plenty of actual left and actual socialist policies presented as new ideas or attributed to Trump. At a policy level, these people actually don't want neofascism, I've interacted with plenty. They really don't. The Democrats tried to appeal to the hard right voter who found Trump icky. For that they were called socialist so and I know this is hard, people I spoke with associated the word socialism with the policies of Harris
  - mrguyorama 2y ago
    >For that they were called socialist so and I know this is hard, people I spoke with associated the word socialism with the policies of Harris What the hell are the democrats supposed to do to oppose a party that gets to redefine language however it wants with seemingly great effect? America spent 100 years demonizing socialism. Not the policies, the word. And now republicans can just deploy it against whoever, because it doesn't have a meaning to US voters. What possible strategy is there against that? My "democrat for life" (because republicans wanted to fucking murder the french catholics in the area, lookup the KKK in Maine) would vote against "socialism"! The US is a uni-party state at the federal level. You either play with the republicans, or you will be labeled "socialist", no matter the objective reality, and you will lose.
    - idunnoman1222 2y ago
      The same response if someone calls you a racist white man. Dgaf
    - kristopolous 2y ago
      Well since actual socialist policies like housing, health care, retirement benefits, childcare support, reducing homelessness, infrastructure funding, jobs programs and wage increases are incredibly popular when put in front of voters, the Democrats should just do actual socialism instead of trying to run away from it saying "nuh uh!"
kristopolous 2y ago
Because they're a specific political project. Radical centrism is a common term but the "left/center/right" is a bad name. Things are much more complicated. There was clearly a winning path with say, Bernie in 2016. The state by state Bernie/Trump matchup polling data consistently predicted a clear and decisive victory. Or, maybe Estes Kefauver 1952, or go back to the 40s and Gallup predicted Henry Wallace would have had a 1936 style landslide instead of the squeak they won with Truman. As a hobby I've poured over archives of primaries, old newspapers, speeches, going back even to Hannibal Hamlin, Lincoln's first VP and how he got replaced. I continue to claim that any actual left project (as opposed to whatever the propaganda industry is deciding to imagine the left is) would be far more successful under a Republican flag because they aren't as committed to the neoimperialist project. That's why the Democrats had all the warring Republicans on their side this time.
ragnese 2y ago
Both Hilary Clinton and Joe Biden got more votes than Donald Trump. The Democrats have a better track record of picking the more popular candidate that the electorate wants in recent history. In fact, the Democratic candidate has won the popular vote in all four of the most recent elections before this one (from 2008 - 2020, inclusive).
- kristopolous 2y ago
  Except maybe for Obama, they were all lousy. Barely beating an incompetent criminal who sold presidential powers as private services and stole stuff from the Whitehouse, that's not impressive.
  - ragnese 2y ago
    1. I didn't say it was impressive. Just refuting the claim that the Republican party puts forth candidates that the electorate wants while the Democratic party does not. 2. Nobody has beaten Trump since he's been a convicted criminal, lied about winning an election he didn't, or stole classified documents from the White House. So it doesn't make sense to discuss "barely beating an incompetent [...]" in the context of my comment that refers only to Democratic candidates who ran before those things happened.
    - kristopolous 2y ago
      The sentiment is Republicans are focused on winning while Democrats are focused on a deeply unpopular corporate-imperialist political project and scolding people into voting for them. They will occasionally virtue signal elsewhere but their policies only align with the project Progressive policies on minimum wage, labor and other things won in Red States once again. Nebraska's minimum wage increase, for instance, went 75-25. 60% for Trump, 75% for minimum wage increase. It's important to realize the Democrats have no interest in those. Absolutely zero. Their project is bowing down to companies like Wells Fargo, Equifax, Lockheed Martin, and General Motors and that's it.
      - 2y ago
parasubvert 2y ago
The base of the Democratic Party are moderate black people. They elect the candidate they want.
- adastra22 2y ago
  The base of the Democratic Party is a lot larger than that one demographic. Black voters are less than 20% of the Democratic Party voter base.
  - parasubvert 2y ago
    That's if you count the entire coalition and don't take into account likely voters or primary voters. I'm talking about reliable 90%+ will always vote D people and will show up on election day, the mainstays of the party, which is the biggest bloc of the Democratic Party coalition. https://www.pewresearch.org/politics/2021/11/09/the-democratic-coalition/ https://www.pewresearch.org/politics/2021/11/09/the-democrat... The largest bloc of the coalition are these mainstays, who tend to be older moderates. And almost half of these people are black. That's what I mean by "base". They lead the way of who the party chooses as a candidate.
- kristopolous 2y ago
  The proper base is radical centrists and neoliberal ideologues. A bunch of people sometimes show up but the base is people who think warhawks like Dick Cheney, William Kristol and Henry Kissinger are heroes and chronically wrong people like Francis Fukuyama are brilliant statesmen. They're already saber rattling "Russia stole it" conspiracy theories about why they lost. Check Twitter. They're dumbfucks who are deeply committed to the bankrupt political project that brought you Afghanistan and Iraq
  - parasubvert 2y ago
    That's not even a plurality of the party, it's a faction. Very online people are reflective of a sliver of the party.

kwere 2y ago

DNC argued that they are a private organization and can do what they want In "Wilding v. DNC Services Corp." case (2017) in response to screwing the dem nomination from Bernie hands in favour of Hillay