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> The moment that switched me to deciding on Trump was when Dick Cheney endorsed Kamala Point 1: you're irrational. Good to know. > 2. Protecting kids. I don'

by palata 2y ago

> The moment that switched me to deciding on Trump was when Dick Cheney endorsed Kamala Point 1: you're irrational. Good to know. > 2. Protecting kids. I don't think kids can consent to medical gender transition. It amounts to state sanctioned child abuse. I have kids. Once you're 18 go ahead do what you want. Sounds like an excuse you make because you don't like the concept. Are you against all kind of medical interventions on kids, or only the ones you don't feel comfortable with? Do you tell kids with cancer to wait until they are 18 before they take their own decision? > I'm tired of having politicians that basically hate half the country and think we're dumb because we don't like to listen to their corpo-bureaucrat speeches And instead you vote for a politician who ignores all the country and cares only about himself.

cynicalpeace 2y ago
Dick Cheney is responsible for murdering millions of Iraqis. This was indisputable up until the moment he endorsed Kamala. Gender dysphoria is not the same as cancer. We don't let kids get tattoos, buy a beer, have sex, get married until a certain age, but somehow we let them medically transition at 6 years old? Have you ever met a 6 year old? And yes it's happening at that age at alarming rates [1] [1] https://www.reuters.com/investigates/special-report/usa-transyouth-data/ https://www.reuters.com/investigates/special-report/usa-tran...
- palata 2y ago
  > Dick Cheney is responsible for I am pretty sure that many bad people voted for Trump. It wouldn't be rational to vote for Harris just because one particular person endorsed Trump. I don't actually think you're irrational, just wanted to note that you apparently felt like you needed an excuse to justify your voting for Trump. > We don't let kids get tattoos, buy a beer, have sex, get married until a certain age, but somehow we let them medically transition at 6 years old? You specifically said "18 years old". And now that it is convenient for you, you bring that limit down to 6 years old? In many countries in the world it's perfectly normal to get tattoos, buy beers and have sex before 18 years old.
  - cynicalpeace 2y ago
    6 is less than 18? And I said a "certain age". Nobody thinks 6 year olds should be able to do whatever they want? My solace is I know yours is a fringe position. Though increasingly less so.
    - palata 2y ago
      > My solace is I know yours is a fringe position. I don't actually have an opinion on the subject in general (it's not a question where I vote). I just disagreed with what you wrote. Let me quote it again and explain: > 2. Protecting kids. I don't think kids can consent to medical gender transition. It amounts to state sanctioned child abuse. I have kids. Once you're 18 go ahead do what you want. You say here that medical gender transition should be forbidden before 18, don't you? It includes 6, but it also includes 17. When I said I disagreed with you, you said "how can you imagine doing that to a 6 years old kid?". You came up with that number all on your own. I was answering to your comment that implied "anything below 18".
      - TeaBrain 2y ago
        You misread their last two comments on the 18 years old remark. The mention of 6 years was a hypothetical for if the age restriction wasn't set at 18.
        cynicalpeace 2y ago
        Correct, they're misreading what I'm saying. But the 6 year old thing isn't a hypothetical. There are plenty of documented cases of 6 year olds being transitioned by abusive parents and doctors. There needs to be a line somewhere. Right now, in many jurisdictions, there is no line.
        palata 2y ago
        > Correct, they're misreading what I'm saying. I did misread the part about sex, tattoos and beer. Doesn't change the fact that you said (and I quote, third time): > 2. Protecting kids. I don't think kids can consent to medical gender transition. It amounts to state sanctioned child abuse. I have kids. Once you're 18 go ahead do what you want. Which implies "they can do it once they are 18, not before". When I disagreed with that, you gave an example of 6 year olds, which is very different from 18, isn't it? > There needs to be a line somewhere. Now maybe you are misreading me. I don't say that there is no regulation needed. I am just saying that I disagree with the "they abuse kids younger than 18 and Trump will save them" rhetoric.
- aguaviva 2y ago
  Dick Cheney is responsible for murdering millions of Iraqis. Even if we just accept the hypothesis that Dick Cheney was responsible for every single death in the Iraq War -- and we simply accept the highest of all available estimates (because hey, why not?) for the total excess deaths (1,033,000 -- that of the ORB survey, as you already know from your research) -- would you care to explain how this figure became literally "millions", meaning "2 million or higher" (the usual meaning of "millions") in your universe, per what you just said above?
  - cynicalpeace 2y ago
    I'm sorry I mispoke. He murdered a million Iraqis. My apologies to Dick Cheney
    - aguaviva 2y ago
      The question stands: why the distortion? And more to the point -- the simple fact is, at the time Trump went along with Cheney's slaughterfest just like everybody else: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=42070803 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=42070803
      - cynicalpeace 2y ago
        I don't know what you want me to admit? Over a million dead vs millions dead? Either way it's wild to defend it. I understand since Cheney hates Trump he gets a pass. Not in my book.
        aguaviva 2y ago
        You don't have to admit anything. I just find it strange that you hold up Cheney as an icon of evil (which I suppose he is), to such an extent that it was his endorsement of Kamala that persuade you to switch to Trump, as if Trump was some kind of anti-Cheney -- when in fact, at the time, Trump supported the exact same awful, evil stuff that Cheney did. I understand since Cheney hates Trump he gets a pass. You misunderstand. Very obviously no one is suggesting that.

by palata 2y ago

cynicalpeace 2y ago

Dick Cheney is responsible for murdering millions of Iraqis. This was indisputable up until the moment he endorsed Kamala. Gender dysphoria is not the same as cancer. We don't let kids get tattoos, buy a beer, have sex, get married until a certain age, but somehow we let them medically transition at 6 years old? Have you ever met a 6 year old? And yes it's happening at that age at alarming rates [1] [1] https://www.reuters.com/investigates/special-report/usa-transyouth-data/ https://www.reuters.com/investigates/special-report/usa-tran...

palata 2y ago
> Dick Cheney is responsible for I am pretty sure that many bad people voted for Trump. It wouldn't be rational to vote for Harris just because one particular person endorsed Trump. I don't actually think you're irrational, just wanted to note that you apparently felt like you needed an excuse to justify your voting for Trump. > We don't let kids get tattoos, buy a beer, have sex, get married until a certain age, but somehow we let them medically transition at 6 years old? You specifically said "18 years old". And now that it is convenient for you, you bring that limit down to 6 years old? In many countries in the world it's perfectly normal to get tattoos, buy beers and have sex before 18 years old.
- cynicalpeace 2y ago
  6 is less than 18? And I said a "certain age". Nobody thinks 6 year olds should be able to do whatever they want? My solace is I know yours is a fringe position. Though increasingly less so.
  - palata 2y ago
    > My solace is I know yours is a fringe position. I don't actually have an opinion on the subject in general (it's not a question where I vote). I just disagreed with what you wrote. Let me quote it again and explain: > 2. Protecting kids. I don't think kids can consent to medical gender transition. It amounts to state sanctioned child abuse. I have kids. Once you're 18 go ahead do what you want. You say here that medical gender transition should be forbidden before 18, don't you? It includes 6, but it also includes 17. When I said I disagreed with you, you said "how can you imagine doing that to a 6 years old kid?". You came up with that number all on your own. I was answering to your comment that implied "anything below 18".
    - TeaBrain 2y ago
      You misread their last two comments on the 18 years old remark. The mention of 6 years was a hypothetical for if the age restriction wasn't set at 18.
      - cynicalpeace 2y ago
        Correct, they're misreading what I'm saying. But the 6 year old thing isn't a hypothetical. There are plenty of documented cases of 6 year olds being transitioned by abusive parents and doctors. There needs to be a line somewhere. Right now, in many jurisdictions, there is no line.
        palata 2y ago
        > Correct, they're misreading what I'm saying. I did misread the part about sex, tattoos and beer. Doesn't change the fact that you said (and I quote, third time): > 2. Protecting kids. I don't think kids can consent to medical gender transition. It amounts to state sanctioned child abuse. I have kids. Once you're 18 go ahead do what you want. Which implies "they can do it once they are 18, not before". When I disagreed with that, you gave an example of 6 year olds, which is very different from 18, isn't it? > There needs to be a line somewhere. Now maybe you are misreading me. I don't say that there is no regulation needed. I am just saying that I disagree with the "they abuse kids younger than 18 and Trump will save them" rhetoric.
aguaviva 2y ago
Dick Cheney is responsible for murdering millions of Iraqis. Even if we just accept the hypothesis that Dick Cheney was responsible for every single death in the Iraq War -- and we simply accept the highest of all available estimates (because hey, why not?) for the total excess deaths (1,033,000 -- that of the ORB survey, as you already know from your research) -- would you care to explain how this figure became literally "millions", meaning "2 million or higher" (the usual meaning of "millions") in your universe, per what you just said above?
- cynicalpeace 2y ago
  I'm sorry I mispoke. He murdered a million Iraqis. My apologies to Dick Cheney
  - aguaviva 2y ago
    The question stands: why the distortion? And more to the point -- the simple fact is, at the time Trump went along with Cheney's slaughterfest just like everybody else: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=42070803 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=42070803
    - cynicalpeace 2y ago
      I don't know what you want me to admit? Over a million dead vs millions dead? Either way it's wild to defend it. I understand since Cheney hates Trump he gets a pass. Not in my book.
      - aguaviva 2y ago
        You don't have to admit anything. I just find it strange that you hold up Cheney as an icon of evil (which I suppose he is), to such an extent that it was his endorsement of Kamala that persuade you to switch to Trump, as if Trump was some kind of anti-Cheney -- when in fact, at the time, Trump supported the exact same awful, evil stuff that Cheney did. I understand since Cheney hates Trump he gets a pass. You misunderstand. Very obviously no one is suggesting that.