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I lost my job a few months back, and I feel like the messaging from Harris/Biden was everything's great! Keep doing whatever is happening. Voted for who spoke t

I lost my job a few months back, and I feel like the messaging from Harris/Biden was everything's great! Keep doing whatever is happening. Voted for who spoke to me. Every company I join literally has an arm in Mexico, India, Pakistan, Colombia or Ukraine - and it always started feeling like at any minute those people would have my job. And they do. I want an administration that makes it so that those people don't have my job. And yes, I have always been willing to work for a lot less, but all the other Americans want more and more and more, so that it's expected for a programmer in the US to make 200k, so these companies decide to hire someone in Colombia for 80k. I'll take 100 and work a lot closer than that person in Colombia. But no companies here will listen to that. And I'll do it as someone with 20 years of experience. But the only thing people on the left care about, as usual, are issues that actually don't matter. Yes I get it you want Gay rights and you want Abortion rights, but the reality is those things are not going away in the states you're already in. But on the other side, American people are being pushed into a terrible economic state. Go ahead and not listen, HN doesn't. It's WAAAY to left.

anthonypasq 2y ago
unemployment was at historic lows, you just got unlucky. idk what to tell you man
- throw_that_away 2y ago
  Exactly what Harris was saying, hence the direction of my vote! Also, 50 job apps and no call backs, this is the WORST economy ever. In 2018, I would submit 3 and get 3 offers at the end of it.
  - anthonypasq 2y ago
    [flagged]
    - islanderfun 2y ago
      I think the issue is that when people are desperate (lost job, can't pay for needs, etc) critical thinking can be limited to just short term survival mode. Even if it doesn't make sense big picture wise. Democratic party needs to listen and at the very least fluff up a response that people in this situation feel heard. Even if there nothing they can really do. It's all about appeasing emotions.
  - ballooney 2y ago
    Do you genuinely think that this is the worst economy ever?
    - throw_that_away 2y ago
      In my lifetime, yes.
      - 8note 2y ago
        Does that include the 2000s tech crash? AI winters?
  - sophacles 2y ago
    Sounds like a skill issue. I never even saw a slowdown of recruiter spam. Maybe you should just try a little? Also, maybe look into a little history while youre at it - the economy is not even close to the worst one ever, see: 1930s, 1970s, the turn of the millenium, and 2008-2012 for examples in living memory.
    - Der_Einzige 2y ago
      It is a skill issue. The folks at the bottom today within the USA economically when unemployment is so low and social mobility is so high do so out of choice. I've traveled the rest of the world and seen what actual poverty looks like (the kind where you have no real hope even if you work hard or are smart). I've seen how much better the US handled every crisis/pandemic vs others. We have it better than anyone else BY FAR. I'm tired of pretending it's not. Want to call me a coastal elite like it's a slur? I'll wear it with a badge of honor. We are better than you at economic planning and becoming prosperous - also with defending social freedoms (i.e. legalizing the mushrooms). We lost the low information voters. Bad from the perspective of winning elections but good from the perspective of self selecting your friends and people you associate with. The democrats really are a social club.
      - samatman 2y ago
        > We lost This is what matters.
- ANewFormation 2y ago
  There was a massive downward revision in August, with most sectors hit hard, leaving the gains that remained increasingly dominated by government/education/healthcare jobs. Telling people 'X' when their eyes/lived experiences tell them 'Y', and then frequently insulting them for not agreeing on top is certainly part of the reason for the popular vote going as it did.
  - anthonypasq 2y ago
    this person basically just went: bad thing happened to me -> blame the president -> vote for the other person. i have no interest in coddling people's feelings and telling them how right they are when they are operating with this level of analysis. Im not a politician so i dont have to deal with that, but im so tired of trying to explain how the world works to stupid people and getting shit for it because im not validating their delusions.
    - ANewFormation 2y ago
      When presidents are quick to take credit for economic successes, surely it isn't unreasonable to hold them accountable for economic failures. The disconnect between government data and the economic realities MANY people experienced (as evidenced by exit polling on the economy) only further salts the wounds for people not doing well.
      - anthonypasq 2y ago
        again, youre assuming people's delusions about their personal finances are worth entertaining. theres absolutely no economic indicator you could point me to that validates people's feelings about the economy. There were no economic failures during Joe Biden's presidency.
        Detrytus 2y ago
        Economic indicators are manufactured by government agencies to support the narrative the current administration wants to spin. Meanwhile, people living in the real world observe some actual state of economy, based on things such as "how hard it was to find a new job".
- themaninthedark 2y ago
  It's at historic lows while layoffs are happening all over. I don't know what to say but it doesn't feel like good times to a bunch of people. John Deere: https://www.msn.com/en-us/money/companies/john-deere-faces-backlash-after-laying-off-2100-us-workers-while-shifting-production-to-mexico/ar-AA1soz4a https://www.msn.com/en-us/money/companies/john-deere-faces-b... GM: https://www.cnn.com/2024/09/21/business/gm-layoffs-kansas/index.html https://www.cnn.com/2024/09/21/business/gm-layoffs-kansas/in... Stellantis: https://www.npr.org/2024/10/11/nx-s1-5145932/stellantis-jeep-dodge-chrysler-layoffs https://www.npr.org/2024/10/11/nx-s1-5145932/stellantis-jeep... https://intellizence.com/insights/layoff-downsizing/leading-companies-announcing-layoffs-and-hiring-freezes/ https://intellizence.com/insights/layoff-downsizing/leading-...
tharmas 2y ago
Under Biden, Mexico is the China replacement for manufacturing. I have my doubts that Trump will change that.
- anuraj 2y ago
  China heavily invested in Mexico. They are building up Mexico's manufacturing capacity to cover American demand. Either way, China wins.
tayo42 2y ago
you think trump is going help programmers in the US at all? How? Trump merchandise isn't made in the US. His daughters brands are manufactured in Asia.
stcroixx 2y ago
Whatever measures are used to portray the economy as great(it's not just the stock market) or unemployment is down do not match with the impact people feel in their own lives. Maybe they aren't lies, but they aren't accurate either. Massive layoffs in our industry and a glut of H1Bs still hanging around are a problem for an American job seeker in this industry and we'll look out for our interests despite what we're told.

anthonypasq 2y ago

unemployment was at historic lows, you just got unlucky. idk what to tell you man

throw_that_away 2y ago
Exactly what Harris was saying, hence the direction of my vote! Also, 50 job apps and no call backs, this is the WORST economy ever. In 2018, I would submit 3 and get 3 offers at the end of it.
- anthonypasq 2y ago
  [flagged]
  - islanderfun 2y ago
    I think the issue is that when people are desperate (lost job, can't pay for needs, etc) critical thinking can be limited to just short term survival mode. Even if it doesn't make sense big picture wise. Democratic party needs to listen and at the very least fluff up a response that people in this situation feel heard. Even if there nothing they can really do. It's all about appeasing emotions.
- ballooney 2y ago
  Do you genuinely think that this is the worst economy ever?
  - throw_that_away 2y ago
    In my lifetime, yes.
    - 8note 2y ago
      Does that include the 2000s tech crash? AI winters?
- sophacles 2y ago
  Sounds like a skill issue. I never even saw a slowdown of recruiter spam. Maybe you should just try a little? Also, maybe look into a little history while youre at it - the economy is not even close to the worst one ever, see: 1930s, 1970s, the turn of the millenium, and 2008-2012 for examples in living memory.
  - Der_Einzige 2y ago
    It is a skill issue. The folks at the bottom today within the USA economically when unemployment is so low and social mobility is so high do so out of choice. I've traveled the rest of the world and seen what actual poverty looks like (the kind where you have no real hope even if you work hard or are smart). I've seen how much better the US handled every crisis/pandemic vs others. We have it better than anyone else BY FAR. I'm tired of pretending it's not. Want to call me a coastal elite like it's a slur? I'll wear it with a badge of honor. We are better than you at economic planning and becoming prosperous - also with defending social freedoms (i.e. legalizing the mushrooms). We lost the low information voters. Bad from the perspective of winning elections but good from the perspective of self selecting your friends and people you associate with. The democrats really are a social club.
    - samatman 2y ago
      > We lost This is what matters.
ANewFormation 2y ago
There was a massive downward revision in August, with most sectors hit hard, leaving the gains that remained increasingly dominated by government/education/healthcare jobs. Telling people 'X' when their eyes/lived experiences tell them 'Y', and then frequently insulting them for not agreeing on top is certainly part of the reason for the popular vote going as it did.
- anthonypasq 2y ago
  this person basically just went: bad thing happened to me -> blame the president -> vote for the other person. i have no interest in coddling people's feelings and telling them how right they are when they are operating with this level of analysis. Im not a politician so i dont have to deal with that, but im so tired of trying to explain how the world works to stupid people and getting shit for it because im not validating their delusions.
  - ANewFormation 2y ago
    When presidents are quick to take credit for economic successes, surely it isn't unreasonable to hold them accountable for economic failures. The disconnect between government data and the economic realities MANY people experienced (as evidenced by exit polling on the economy) only further salts the wounds for people not doing well.
    - anthonypasq 2y ago
      again, youre assuming people's delusions about their personal finances are worth entertaining. theres absolutely no economic indicator you could point me to that validates people's feelings about the economy. There were no economic failures during Joe Biden's presidency.
      - Detrytus 2y ago
        Economic indicators are manufactured by government agencies to support the narrative the current administration wants to spin. Meanwhile, people living in the real world observe some actual state of economy, based on things such as "how hard it was to find a new job".
themaninthedark 2y ago
It's at historic lows while layoffs are happening all over. I don't know what to say but it doesn't feel like good times to a bunch of people. John Deere: https://www.msn.com/en-us/money/companies/john-deere-faces-backlash-after-laying-off-2100-us-workers-while-shifting-production-to-mexico/ar-AA1soz4a https://www.msn.com/en-us/money/companies/john-deere-faces-b... GM: https://www.cnn.com/2024/09/21/business/gm-layoffs-kansas/index.html https://www.cnn.com/2024/09/21/business/gm-layoffs-kansas/in... Stellantis: https://www.npr.org/2024/10/11/nx-s1-5145932/stellantis-jeep-dodge-chrysler-layoffs https://www.npr.org/2024/10/11/nx-s1-5145932/stellantis-jeep... https://intellizence.com/insights/layoff-downsizing/leading-companies-announcing-layoffs-and-hiring-freezes/ https://intellizence.com/insights/layoff-downsizing/leading-...

tharmas 2y ago

Under Biden, Mexico is the China replacement for manufacturing. I have my doubts that Trump will change that.

anuraj 2y ago
China heavily invested in Mexico. They are building up Mexico's manufacturing capacity to cover American demand. Either way, China wins.

tayo42 2y ago

you think trump is going help programmers in the US at all? How? Trump merchandise isn't made in the US. His daughters brands are manufactured in Asia.

stcroixx 2y ago

Whatever measures are used to portray the economy as great(it's not just the stock market) or unemployment is down do not match with the impact people feel in their own lives. Maybe they aren't lies, but they aren't accurate either. Massive layoffs in our industry and a glut of H1Bs still hanging around are a problem for an American job seeker in this industry and we'll look out for our interests despite what we're told.