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Then why won't they leave us alone?

by mintplant 2y ago

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Veen 2y ago
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- loup-vaillant 2y ago
  > Stop doing that and almost everyone will happily leave you alone to dress and behave however you please. I'm pretty sure they won't. And for that reason alone… https://www.youtube.com/@TacticoolGirlfriend https://www.youtube.com/@TacticoolGirlfriend
- mintplant 2y ago
  I can't wait for four more years and beyond of hearing these same talking points over and over and over again. I could put up an argument here, but it's been done before and better, and frankly, I'm just so tired today.
  - ssinkj 2y ago
    Males need to respect female spaces and boundaries. All males, including those who want to be women. It's as simple as that.
    - happytoexplain 2y ago
      As a response to the parent, this is antagonistic and uncharitable. The parent wasn't interested in arguing, and didn't even deny this specific point. I'm not saying they wouldn't, but there's plenty that can be easily denied in the GP (see my other comment), and this is not one of the "easy" ones. If women generally feel uncomfortable with trans-women in their bathrooms, that's not an unreasonable argument to make. The problem is that almost every time the argument is made, it's made unreasonably, using hatred or support for violence.
      - ssinkj 2y ago
        > The problem is that almost every time the argument is made, it's made unreasonably, using hatred or support for violence. Not really though. What typically happens is that a perfectly reasonable statement about respecting women's boundaries, or the importance of female-only spaces, or the impossibility of men being women, gets labelled as "hatred" despite no hate being expressed.
- happytoexplain 2y ago
  >forcing non-trans people to accept a fiction (people can change sex) This is dishonest. Obviously, vanishingly few people disagree on basic reality. Undeniable facts include: Whether or not I have a penis; whether or not I have a Y chromosome; whether or not biologically male and female brains/bodies normally differ; whether or not I feel like a man or feel like a woman; whether or not that feeling is permanent (that one would involve predicting the future, but is still ultimately factual). The things people actually differ on are: - The semantics of words like man/woman. This is 99% identity politics - "semantic argument" is practically a synonym for "pointless argument". "I'm using this word in a new-ish way."; "No, I disagree with that usage." It's utterly tangential. - More relevantly: How (un)comfortable they feel about some of those basic realities listed above, and whether or not they express that using pettiness, word-bending, cherry-picking, physical violence, murder, etc. >influencing vulnerable children into harmful and unnecessary medical procedures I can't say that a "you are whatever you feel like" influence has literally never resulted in an impressionable mind making a horrible decision for themselves, but it's monumentally overstated by conservatives, which is easy to do because it's so subjective and so dramatic. The line between the obviously correct "be who you are without fear" and the less prudent "wouldn't you like to be who you feel like you are?" can be very blurry. >Stop doing that and almost everyone will happily leave you alone to dress and behave however you please. Surely you can read this and see that "almost" does not qualify this into reasonably true territory. This is just not how people are.
ThrowawayTestr 2y ago
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- loup-vaillant 2y ago
  Do I upvote the sarcasm or flag the transphobia?
  - ThrowawayTestr 2y ago
    I answered the question, feel free to flag it if it upsets you.
    - kelnos 2y ago
      Flagged because it's false and troll-y, not because it upsets me.
loup-vaillant 2y ago
Because people like you are often at the forefront of wider social movements. Stuff like healthcare, safety nets, worker empowerment… Your influence goes way beyond gender care or women's rights. Beyond their bigoted sensibilities they have an incentive to shut down many of the wider political views you may defend.
dartharva 2y ago
Has any of your rights or space been materially invaded by whoever "they" are? Or is it all just communal paranoia?
- mintplant 2y ago
  I could literally lose my access to care over this, if the new administration follows through with what's been promised.
  - xeromal 2y ago
    Are you losing access to all care or free care?
    - mintplant 2y ago
      Care that I earn through my work that brings in more to my institution than it costs to have me on board. As if that distinction should matter.
      - zo1 2y ago
        Then the trans activists (not the community) should not have been pushing stuff onto the kids side of things. That's a 100% no-go area and I don't know how anyone thought that was a good idea. People, all people, want themselves and their children to be left alone.
        mintplant 2y ago
        Sorry, someone else in this thread already beat you to that particular propaganda point.

Then why won't they leave us alone?

deleted 2y ago

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Veen 2y ago

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loup-vaillant 2y ago
> Stop doing that and almost everyone will happily leave you alone to dress and behave however you please. I'm pretty sure they won't. And for that reason alone… https://www.youtube.com/@TacticoolGirlfriend https://www.youtube.com/@TacticoolGirlfriend
mintplant 2y ago
I can't wait for four more years and beyond of hearing these same talking points over and over and over again. I could put up an argument here, but it's been done before and better, and frankly, I'm just so tired today.
- ssinkj 2y ago
  Males need to respect female spaces and boundaries. All males, including those who want to be women. It's as simple as that.
  - happytoexplain 2y ago
    As a response to the parent, this is antagonistic and uncharitable. The parent wasn't interested in arguing, and didn't even deny this specific point. I'm not saying they wouldn't, but there's plenty that can be easily denied in the GP (see my other comment), and this is not one of the "easy" ones. If women generally feel uncomfortable with trans-women in their bathrooms, that's not an unreasonable argument to make. The problem is that almost every time the argument is made, it's made unreasonably, using hatred or support for violence.
    - ssinkj 2y ago
      > The problem is that almost every time the argument is made, it's made unreasonably, using hatred or support for violence. Not really though. What typically happens is that a perfectly reasonable statement about respecting women's boundaries, or the importance of female-only spaces, or the impossibility of men being women, gets labelled as "hatred" despite no hate being expressed.
happytoexplain 2y ago
>forcing non-trans people to accept a fiction (people can change sex) This is dishonest. Obviously, vanishingly few people disagree on basic reality. Undeniable facts include: Whether or not I have a penis; whether or not I have a Y chromosome; whether or not biologically male and female brains/bodies normally differ; whether or not I feel like a man or feel like a woman; whether or not that feeling is permanent (that one would involve predicting the future, but is still ultimately factual). The things people actually differ on are: - The semantics of words like man/woman. This is 99% identity politics - "semantic argument" is practically a synonym for "pointless argument". "I'm using this word in a new-ish way."; "No, I disagree with that usage." It's utterly tangential. - More relevantly: How (un)comfortable they feel about some of those basic realities listed above, and whether or not they express that using pettiness, word-bending, cherry-picking, physical violence, murder, etc. >influencing vulnerable children into harmful and unnecessary medical procedures I can't say that a "you are whatever you feel like" influence has literally never resulted in an impressionable mind making a horrible decision for themselves, but it's monumentally overstated by conservatives, which is easy to do because it's so subjective and so dramatic. The line between the obviously correct "be who you are without fear" and the less prudent "wouldn't you like to be who you feel like you are?" can be very blurry. >Stop doing that and almost everyone will happily leave you alone to dress and behave however you please. Surely you can read this and see that "almost" does not qualify this into reasonably true territory. This is just not how people are.

ThrowawayTestr 2y ago

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loup-vaillant 2y ago
Do I upvote the sarcasm or flag the transphobia?
- ThrowawayTestr 2y ago
  I answered the question, feel free to flag it if it upsets you.
  - kelnos 2y ago
    Flagged because it's false and troll-y, not because it upsets me.

loup-vaillant 2y ago

Because people like you are often at the forefront of wider social movements. Stuff like healthcare, safety nets, worker empowerment… Your influence goes way beyond gender care or women's rights. Beyond their bigoted sensibilities they have an incentive to shut down many of the wider political views you may defend.

dartharva 2y ago

Has any of your rights or space been materially invaded by whoever "they" are? Or is it all just communal paranoia?

mintplant 2y ago
I could literally lose my access to care over this, if the new administration follows through with what's been promised.
- xeromal 2y ago
  Are you losing access to all care or free care?
  - mintplant 2y ago
    Care that I earn through my work that brings in more to my institution than it costs to have me on board. As if that distinction should matter.
    - zo1 2y ago
      Then the trans activists (not the community) should not have been pushing stuff onto the kids side of things. That's a 100% no-go area and I don't know how anyone thought that was a good idea. People, all people, want themselves and their children to be left alone.
      - mintplant 2y ago
        Sorry, someone else in this thread already beat you to that particular propaganda point.