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> All these years later we're still in a situation where "the economy" is going gangbusters, but the average person feels left out. It doesn't matter. Trump cl

> All these years later we're still in a situation where "the economy" is going gangbusters, but the average person feels left out. It doesn't matter. Trump claimed he'd build the greatest economy again. He didn't provide any details on what he plans to do that will actually improve people's lives. He just let people jump to their own happy conclusions.

phkahler 2y ago
>> He didn't provide any details on what he plans to do that will actually improve people's lives. He did provide high level detail. He said he'd use tariffs to exclude foreign made stuff, which will necessitate "made in America" and bring manufacturing back. He said he'd balance the budget, which (theoretically) has long-term effects. He said he'd deport illegals, which should reduce demand for housing and hence prices. You can disagree with any of those things, but I don't think it's right to say he didn't offer anything specific.
- w0m 2y ago
  > I don't think it's right to say he didn't offer anything specific I mean; he offered 'specifics' - they simply didn't make any sense on cursory examination. How to fight inflation? Tariffs! How to make already expensive goods cheaper? Tarriffs! Hell, re: deporting illegals, he didn't even bother to do that his first term, Obama did it at a dramatically higher rate. It's all a "I'll fix everything by doing nothing" smokescreen.
  - stormfather 2y ago
    You're being disingenuous. The closest Republican talking point to reducing inflation was increasing energy production. That is a legitimately deflationary policy. What I think most people don't understand on the left is how far their credibility has fallen with the common person, and is because of attitudes like this. If you actually want to understand this election at all, you have to understand that people on the right feel constantly lied to by institutions and media figures, and disingenuous rebuttals like this don't help, they hurt.
    - w0m 2y ago
      > that people on the right feel constantly lied to by institutions and media figures, and disingenuous rebuttals like this don't help, they hurt Trumps literally running on Tariffs and fixing inflation. Claiming you can do both and it's disingenuous to combine them when discussing each candidates approach is honestly asinine. "Yes, he's pro-gun! but He's also in favor of confiscating all guns. But they're two different policies so it's a disingenuous rebuttal to link them." > how far their credibility has fallen with the common person This is True. Somehow there's an incredible double standard at play in the minds of waaaay too many. In the middle of a national emergency, Trump toured the country spouting fabricated tales about Kamala wasting FEMAs budget on transgender surgery for migrants - which had a clear and direct adverse affect on the actual recovery efforts as multiple centers had to deal with bomb threats, armed insurgents, and a general hostile populace as they tried to help people. It was of course all fabricated idiocy that directly hurt the very people who needed help the most, but that's not "constantly lied to"? "He just talks, you can't assume anything he states is true or that he'll follow through" is incredibly stupid because people really do believe him, and it's incredibly damaging to the core of our country. But somehow he gets a free pass, while calling out his exact words is "constantly lied to".
      - aiiaai 2y ago
        > fabricated tales about Kamala wasting FEMAs budget on transgender surgery for migrants It's not fabricated, this is based on a question she was asked by the ACLU. > ACLU: As President will you use your executive authority to ensure that transgender and nonbinary people who rely on the state for medical care - including those in prison and immigration detention - will have access to comprehensive treatment associated with gender transition, including all necessary surgical care? If yes, how will you do so? > Harris: Yes. It is important that transgender individuals who rely on the state for care receive the treatment they need, which includes access to treatment associated with gender transition. That’s why, as Attorney General, I pushed the California Department of Corrections and Rehabilitation to provide gender transition surgery to state inmates. I support policies ensuring that federal prisoners and detainees are able to obtain medically necessary care for gender transition, including surgical care, while incarcerated or detained. Transition treatment is a medical necessity, and I will direct all federal agencies responsible for providing essential medical care to deliver transition treatment.
- tayo42 2y ago
  Illegals are not competing on buying homes. Working for cash is not going to allow you to purchase a home
  - ungreased0675 2y ago
    Maybe not buying houses, but they have to live somewhere, right? That has an effect on housing prices.
FirmwareBurner 2y ago
>He didn't provide any details on what he plans to do that will actually improve people's lives. No, but he had a very simple and catchy message that even people with the lowest IQ can understand and remember: "Fuck illegal immigrants, fuck China, America first, USA no. 1". Election messages need to appeal to the lowest common denominator of education and intellect. If you start boring people with facts and high brow speeches that only the well educated can understand, you lost from the start.
- dfxm12 2y ago
  Election messages need to appeal to the lowest common denominator of education Republicans understand that the less educated a voter is, the more likely they are to vote R. It's not a coincidence that they are trying to gut the education system.
  - FirmwareBurner 2y ago
    What did democrats do to improve the education system?
    - paulryanrogers 2y ago
      Consistently fund it, integrated races, feed malnourished and vulnerable children, didn't demonize POC, removed magical thinking and religion from it, etc.
      - FirmwareBurner 2y ago
        > integrated races How?
        paulryanrogers 2y ago
        By ending segregation
        2y ago

phkahler 2y ago

>> He didn't provide any details on what he plans to do that will actually improve people's lives. He did provide high level detail. He said he'd use tariffs to exclude foreign made stuff, which will necessitate "made in America" and bring manufacturing back. He said he'd balance the budget, which (theoretically) has long-term effects. He said he'd deport illegals, which should reduce demand for housing and hence prices. You can disagree with any of those things, but I don't think it's right to say he didn't offer anything specific.

w0m 2y ago
> I don't think it's right to say he didn't offer anything specific I mean; he offered 'specifics' - they simply didn't make any sense on cursory examination. How to fight inflation? Tariffs! How to make already expensive goods cheaper? Tarriffs! Hell, re: deporting illegals, he didn't even bother to do that his first term, Obama did it at a dramatically higher rate. It's all a "I'll fix everything by doing nothing" smokescreen.
- stormfather 2y ago
  You're being disingenuous. The closest Republican talking point to reducing inflation was increasing energy production. That is a legitimately deflationary policy. What I think most people don't understand on the left is how far their credibility has fallen with the common person, and is because of attitudes like this. If you actually want to understand this election at all, you have to understand that people on the right feel constantly lied to by institutions and media figures, and disingenuous rebuttals like this don't help, they hurt.
  - w0m 2y ago
    > that people on the right feel constantly lied to by institutions and media figures, and disingenuous rebuttals like this don't help, they hurt Trumps literally running on Tariffs and fixing inflation. Claiming you can do both and it's disingenuous to combine them when discussing each candidates approach is honestly asinine. "Yes, he's pro-gun! but He's also in favor of confiscating all guns. But they're two different policies so it's a disingenuous rebuttal to link them." > how far their credibility has fallen with the common person This is True. Somehow there's an incredible double standard at play in the minds of waaaay too many. In the middle of a national emergency, Trump toured the country spouting fabricated tales about Kamala wasting FEMAs budget on transgender surgery for migrants - which had a clear and direct adverse affect on the actual recovery efforts as multiple centers had to deal with bomb threats, armed insurgents, and a general hostile populace as they tried to help people. It was of course all fabricated idiocy that directly hurt the very people who needed help the most, but that's not "constantly lied to"? "He just talks, you can't assume anything he states is true or that he'll follow through" is incredibly stupid because people really do believe him, and it's incredibly damaging to the core of our country. But somehow he gets a free pass, while calling out his exact words is "constantly lied to".
    - aiiaai 2y ago
      > fabricated tales about Kamala wasting FEMAs budget on transgender surgery for migrants It's not fabricated, this is based on a question she was asked by the ACLU. > ACLU: As President will you use your executive authority to ensure that transgender and nonbinary people who rely on the state for medical care - including those in prison and immigration detention - will have access to comprehensive treatment associated with gender transition, including all necessary surgical care? If yes, how will you do so? > Harris: Yes. It is important that transgender individuals who rely on the state for care receive the treatment they need, which includes access to treatment associated with gender transition. That’s why, as Attorney General, I pushed the California Department of Corrections and Rehabilitation to provide gender transition surgery to state inmates. I support policies ensuring that federal prisoners and detainees are able to obtain medically necessary care for gender transition, including surgical care, while incarcerated or detained. Transition treatment is a medical necessity, and I will direct all federal agencies responsible for providing essential medical care to deliver transition treatment.
tayo42 2y ago
Illegals are not competing on buying homes. Working for cash is not going to allow you to purchase a home
- ungreased0675 2y ago
  Maybe not buying houses, but they have to live somewhere, right? That has an effect on housing prices.

FirmwareBurner 2y ago

>He didn't provide any details on what he plans to do that will actually improve people's lives. No, but he had a very simple and catchy message that even people with the lowest IQ can understand and remember: "Fuck illegal immigrants, fuck China, America first, USA no. 1". Election messages need to appeal to the lowest common denominator of education and intellect. If you start boring people with facts and high brow speeches that only the well educated can understand, you lost from the start.

dfxm12 2y ago
Election messages need to appeal to the lowest common denominator of education Republicans understand that the less educated a voter is, the more likely they are to vote R. It's not a coincidence that they are trying to gut the education system.
- FirmwareBurner 2y ago
  What did democrats do to improve the education system?
  - paulryanrogers 2y ago
    Consistently fund it, integrated races, feed malnourished and vulnerable children, didn't demonize POC, removed magical thinking and religion from it, etc.
    - FirmwareBurner 2y ago
      > integrated races How?
      - paulryanrogers 2y ago
        By ending segregation
        2y ago