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> What can you do about a low information voter? Crime has increased in the US. The official numbers were wrong and were recently corrected, instead of droppin

> What can you do about a low information voter? Crime has increased in the US. The official numbers were wrong and were recently corrected, instead of dropping by 2% they actually increased by over 4%. https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=41859346 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=41859346 This is something that the average person saw. The only people who didn't were in a bubble.

dfxm12 2y ago
The article you're linking to makes claims about FBI data, but its only evidence are links to and images created from another website [0], and not the FBI data it is referencing. Further, following the link, the site claims "the data is here" and links only to self hosted excel files and not to the referenced FBI data. 0 - A website which happens to have a conservative bias and has failed several fact checks according to Media Bias/Fact Check: https://mediabiasfactcheck.com/crime-prevention-research-center/ https://mediabiasfactcheck.com/crime-prevention-research-cen...
gonzobonzo 2y ago
And even if they were low by U.S. standard, they're still much higher than other countries, and much higher than people would like. Imagine if someone responded like that to other issues: "I think we should do more to reduce childhood hunger." "Childhood hunger is already lower than it used to be, you must be a low information voter." ** "I think we should do more to reduce traffic fatalities." "Traffic fatalities are already lower than they used to be, you must be a low information voter." ** "I think we should reduce carbon emissions." "Carbon emissions are already lower than they used to be, you must be a low information voter." If these are important issues for you, you're not going to want to be on the same team with the people who respond like that.
- dfxm12 2y ago
  The original discuss was around "rising crime rates", not "high crime rates". Even if you want to have this separate discussion, you're leaving out the obvious context of "crime rates are lower than they used to be when Trump was president immediately prior to this", so, if you think crime is too high, the answer is not someone who presided over even more crime.

dfxm12 2y ago

The article you're linking to makes claims about FBI data, but its only evidence are links to and images created from another website [0], and not the FBI data it is referencing. Further, following the link, the site claims "the data is here" and links only to self hosted excel files and not to the referenced FBI data. 0 - A website which happens to have a conservative bias and has failed several fact checks according to Media Bias/Fact Check: https://mediabiasfactcheck.com/crime-prevention-research-center/ https://mediabiasfactcheck.com/crime-prevention-research-cen...

gonzobonzo 2y ago

And even if they were low by U.S. standard, they're still much higher than other countries, and much higher than people would like. Imagine if someone responded like that to other issues: "I think we should do more to reduce childhood hunger." "Childhood hunger is already lower than it used to be, you must be a low information voter." ** "I think we should do more to reduce traffic fatalities." "Traffic fatalities are already lower than they used to be, you must be a low information voter." ** "I think we should reduce carbon emissions." "Carbon emissions are already lower than they used to be, you must be a low information voter." If these are important issues for you, you're not going to want to be on the same team with the people who respond like that.

dfxm12 2y ago
The original discuss was around "rising crime rates", not "high crime rates". Even if you want to have this separate discussion, you're leaving out the obvious context of "crime rates are lower than they used to be when Trump was president immediately prior to this", so, if you think crime is too high, the answer is not someone who presided over even more crime.