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The data may show that. The people don't feel that. (Many of them don't see it in their budgets, either.)

by AnimalMuppet 2y ago

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croes 2y ago
You don’t feel earth rotation either but it still exists. You can’t argue about feelings
- psychoslave 2y ago
  People definitely can feel the impact of earth rotation on a daily basis. They literally would not even have the notion of a day without it actually. https://sciencenotes.org/what-would-happen-if-the-earth-stopped-rotating/ https://sciencenotes.org/what-would-happen-if-the-earth-stop...
  - croes 2y ago
    You can measure the effects but people don’t feel it, just ask flat earthers
pupppet 2y ago
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- InDubioProRubio 2y ago
  Reality is always a social construct, and by having air superiority you can talk anything into reality.
no_wizard 2y ago
But it’s a skewed picture of the actuality, which that those wage gains didn’t make up for the 40 years of stagnation preceding it. If wage gains kept pace with productivity gains it’d be a very different and vastly better economic story for the average American
- gruez 2y ago
  >which that those wage gains didn’t make up for the 40 years of stagnation preceding it. It stagnated in 2008-2016 but they still voted for obama, but when it finally started rising in 2016 they voted for trump?
  - no_wizard 2y ago
    It wasn't really rising in 2016. The flat wage growth lasted past 2020, with a relatively recent blip, but it has not meaningfully risen to outpace the stagnation that existed for decades. If wages increased with productivity increases we'd be in better shape overall as a society, but here we are.
ZeroGravitas 2y ago
Voting for the guy that complained American wages were too high and thinks tariffs are paid by other countries will definitely not help. Please be more specific if you are explaining why American voters have got angry and done something stupid that will make things worse or if you are defending that stupidity as a good thing that will help the situation you are talking about.
- toomuchtodo 2y ago
  Like Brexit, you have to let the electorate find out the hard way.
schnebbau 2y ago
My theory is that social media has given people this skewed perspective of reality where everyone else appears to be rich and living in luxury. This makes their own lives, in which they are still better off than 99.9% of the history of humanity, feel worse.
- no_wizard 2y ago
  or you know, wages stagnated for 40 years and haven't kept pace with productivity gains, and it was inevitable that this would wear most American citizens down and we'd feel it more and more over time. The most recent wage gains failed to make up for this fact https://www.cnbc.com/2022/07/19/heres-how-labor-dynamism-affects-wage-growth-in-america.html https://www.cnbc.com/2022/07/19/heres-how-labor-dynamism-aff...
- nsxwolf 2y ago
  When your lifestyle suddenly has to change in drastic ways because of a rapid increase in prices none of this makes anyone feel any better. "Think about how much worse it COULD be, kids!"
  - gruez 2y ago
    >When your lifestyle suddenly has to change in drastic ways because of a rapid increase in prices Where's the evidence this is happening for a majority (or even something vaguely resembling one) of people? I've already posted official statistics that show inflation adjusted median wages are up.
    - nsxwolf 2y ago
      Ok, well, my wages aren't up, and everybody I know's wages aren't up either. Being told this over and over again, that everything is great, despite what's obvious to our own personal experience is why you got the result you got today.

The data may show that. The people don't feel that. (Many of them don't see it in their budgets, either.)

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croes 2y ago

You don’t feel earth rotation either but it still exists. You can’t argue about feelings

psychoslave 2y ago
People definitely can feel the impact of earth rotation on a daily basis. They literally would not even have the notion of a day without it actually. https://sciencenotes.org/what-would-happen-if-the-earth-stopped-rotating/ https://sciencenotes.org/what-would-happen-if-the-earth-stop...
- croes 2y ago
  You can measure the effects but people don’t feel it, just ask flat earthers

pupppet 2y ago

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InDubioProRubio 2y ago
Reality is always a social construct, and by having air superiority you can talk anything into reality.

no_wizard 2y ago

But it’s a skewed picture of the actuality, which that those wage gains didn’t make up for the 40 years of stagnation preceding it. If wage gains kept pace with productivity gains it’d be a very different and vastly better economic story for the average American

gruez 2y ago
>which that those wage gains didn’t make up for the 40 years of stagnation preceding it. It stagnated in 2008-2016 but they still voted for obama, but when it finally started rising in 2016 they voted for trump?
- no_wizard 2y ago
  It wasn't really rising in 2016. The flat wage growth lasted past 2020, with a relatively recent blip, but it has not meaningfully risen to outpace the stagnation that existed for decades. If wages increased with productivity increases we'd be in better shape overall as a society, but here we are.

ZeroGravitas 2y ago

Voting for the guy that complained American wages were too high and thinks tariffs are paid by other countries will definitely not help. Please be more specific if you are explaining why American voters have got angry and done something stupid that will make things worse or if you are defending that stupidity as a good thing that will help the situation you are talking about.

toomuchtodo 2y ago
Like Brexit, you have to let the electorate find out the hard way.

schnebbau 2y ago

My theory is that social media has given people this skewed perspective of reality where everyone else appears to be rich and living in luxury. This makes their own lives, in which they are still better off than 99.9% of the history of humanity, feel worse.

no_wizard 2y ago
or you know, wages stagnated for 40 years and haven't kept pace with productivity gains, and it was inevitable that this would wear most American citizens down and we'd feel it more and more over time. The most recent wage gains failed to make up for this fact https://www.cnbc.com/2022/07/19/heres-how-labor-dynamism-affects-wage-growth-in-america.html https://www.cnbc.com/2022/07/19/heres-how-labor-dynamism-aff...
nsxwolf 2y ago
When your lifestyle suddenly has to change in drastic ways because of a rapid increase in prices none of this makes anyone feel any better. "Think about how much worse it COULD be, kids!"
- gruez 2y ago
  >When your lifestyle suddenly has to change in drastic ways because of a rapid increase in prices Where's the evidence this is happening for a majority (or even something vaguely resembling one) of people? I've already posted official statistics that show inflation adjusted median wages are up.
  - nsxwolf 2y ago
    Ok, well, my wages aren't up, and everybody I know's wages aren't up either. Being told this over and over again, that everything is great, despite what's obvious to our own personal experience is why you got the result you got today.