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> "Hating migrants" != "want only the migrants that pull their own weight" As a foreigner, I honestly can't see the difference between "want only the migrants

by pyrale 2y ago

> "Hating migrants" != "want only the migrants that pull their own weight" As a foreigner, I honestly can't see the difference between "want only the migrants that pull their own weight" and "hate foreigners but refrain from saying it to their face if there's a financial incentive". If your tolerance is predicated on me giving you money, I'll pass the opportunity.

15155 2y ago
My tolerance is predicated on me not giving you money. Spend the money you earn on yourself: it will flow through the rest of the economy. But I am not going to give you any to do so.
- ben_w 2y ago
  > My tolerance is predicated on me not giving you money. Either: 1) You also don't tolerate the below median earner who is native to your country or 2) Your tolerance is dependent on citizenship not just income If you're #1, that's a problem for your fellow citizens whom you don't tolerate. If you're #2, you're telling me to not bring my higher earning skills to your economy. Doesn't matter if you didn't mean it that way, you still won't get me spending the money I earn on your economy so you won't get rich from me.
  - 15155 2y ago
    Why can't it be both? Why can't I want to minimize the number of unskilled outsiders (with different values, etc.) because they may cost more while overlooking that fact for those with obvious economic power regardless of where they are from. I know it hurts to hear: people with wealth are desirable guests and citizens. A country's citizenry is much like children: some are going to be shitty, but we still support that limited group because of arbitrary moral obligation (perhaps inspired by the fact that we want our "own" to continue.) We're not obligated to extend this tradition to anyone else for any reason. > you still won't get me spending the money I earn on your economy so you won't get rich from me. Thankfully there are billions of people in the world and they're literally dying to get into the US. H-1Bs quotas are filled every year - there's no shortage of high-average earners wanting to come here, either.
    - ben_w 2y ago
      > Why can't it be both? Because the depenence on citizenship in the second is an additional requirement beyond the minimal state of the first. > I know it hurts to hear: people with wealth are desirable guests and citizens. I know it hurts to hear: I don't want to be your guest. If I was invited by an American company to relocate, I'd turn it down, regardless of pay. Most of the billions in this world aren't heading to you, wherever you live.

by pyrale 2y ago

15155 2y ago

My tolerance is predicated on me not giving you money. Spend the money you earn on yourself: it will flow through the rest of the economy. But I am not going to give you any to do so.

ben_w 2y ago
> My tolerance is predicated on me not giving you money. Either: 1) You also don't tolerate the below median earner who is native to your country or 2) Your tolerance is dependent on citizenship not just income If you're #1, that's a problem for your fellow citizens whom you don't tolerate. If you're #2, you're telling me to not bring my higher earning skills to your economy. Doesn't matter if you didn't mean it that way, you still won't get me spending the money I earn on your economy so you won't get rich from me.
- 15155 2y ago
  Why can't it be both? Why can't I want to minimize the number of unskilled outsiders (with different values, etc.) because they may cost more while overlooking that fact for those with obvious economic power regardless of where they are from. I know it hurts to hear: people with wealth are desirable guests and citizens. A country's citizenry is much like children: some are going to be shitty, but we still support that limited group because of arbitrary moral obligation (perhaps inspired by the fact that we want our "own" to continue.) We're not obligated to extend this tradition to anyone else for any reason. > you still won't get me spending the money I earn on your economy so you won't get rich from me. Thankfully there are billions of people in the world and they're literally dying to get into the US. H-1Bs quotas are filled every year - there's no shortage of high-average earners wanting to come here, either.
  - ben_w 2y ago
    > Why can't it be both? Because the depenence on citizenship in the second is an additional requirement beyond the minimal state of the first. > I know it hurts to hear: people with wealth are desirable guests and citizens. I know it hurts to hear: I don't want to be your guest. If I was invited by an American company to relocate, I'd turn it down, regardless of pay. Most of the billions in this world aren't heading to you, wherever you live.