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Don’t bother. It only goes so far as the democrats are demonizing men but there are no examples. The fact is the democrats did not run on demonizing men, the re

Don’t bother. It only goes so far as the democrats are demonizing men but there are no examples. The fact is the democrats did not run on demonizing men, the republicans ran on the democrats demonizing men.

code_runner 2y ago
And that’s why you have to appeal to them all the more. You have to be able to understand and counteract messaging like this. Proof is in the pudding
- tekknik 2y ago
  do you remember a time when the republicans were even keeled and tempered and the democrats kept calling them hitler, nazis, facists, and so on? I certainly remember. The only way to counter this message is to stop with the hate speech. Like the parent above said. Even independents are tired of it now. Of course likely the left will again ignore the warnings and continue on so I’m quite anxious to see what 2026 and 2028 bring.
  - philistine 2y ago
    I have no clue what you're talking about? Did Gore call Bush a fascist? Obama? Ultimately, I see the world this way: people want good things for others. Most people who voted for Trump aren't directly fascists. Trump himself I wouldn't even qualify as a fascist. But he espouses fascistic policies. Immigrants polluting the blood of America, stuff like that, those are fascist ways of talking about immigration. So at some point we have to talk about things, and denounce them. And no, Trump himself is not Mussolini. But the shortcut of calling him a fascist is ultimately okay. Same thing with racisms. Most people aren't fundamentally racist, but they'll espouse racist opinions. So they're racist.
    - tekknik 2y ago
      if you believe the left hasn’t ramped up the vitriol against their supposed enemies then you’re living under a rock. have you already forgotten this same hatred almost got Trump shot twice? the rest of us haven’t.
      - sofixa 2y ago
        Trump is literally a convicted rapist. Mounted an insurrection. Pedophile. Serial cheater. Mocked disabled people and veterans. Literally stole money from a children's cancer charity. You can literally, no exaggeration, pull out tens of those indisputable facts, which in a normal world, would be immediately disqualifying. You wouldn't hire someone who has said any of the millions of things he has said. Do you remember grab them by the pussy? Would you be friends, or hire, or tolerate anyone speaking like that? Pointing them out and how fundamentally unsuited that man is for any job, let alone the presidency of any country, is not "hatred". If you have a problem with people being shot at, take this up with your local representative to get better controls on who can acquire a weapon.
        tekknik 2y ago
        > Trump is literally a convicted rapist. Stopping here because this is a blatant lie. He was NOT convicted of rape but instead sexual abuse. They are not the same and if you need further evidence then consult a lawyer. Remember that disinformation the left claimed the right was spreading? guess what you’re doing now?
        sofixa 2y ago
        Oh, my deepest apologies. He's not a convicted rapist, only a convicted sexual abuser. Also a close associate and friend to a known pedophile ringleader, so very highly probably a rapist and child molester too. Does rape vs sexual abuse change much in your view? Especially when there's also him bragging about grabbing them right by the pussy.
        tekknik 2y ago
  - code_runner 2y ago
    I don't know of a time in recent memory with "even keeled" republicans (at least beyond the Primary). Romney and McCain would be the last I'm aware of. I'm confident that I've heard both sides saying exactly what you're saying though... and I remember many times that "the end of democracy" was around the corner.... and if such-and-such wins a race war is going to break out etc. The rhetoric and post-election-dooming is always the same regardless of which side wins. I pretty firmly believe that things like the economy, incumbents tendency to remain in power, and a party switch after hitting the term-limit are the biggest factors. What people actually say once the primaries are over just doesn't matter to most people. People will cherry-pick what they want to hear.
    - tekknik 2y ago
      If you’re on Romney and McCain then you’re showing your age. Look back further.
wvh 2y ago
Exactly. If, as a non-American who is non-political and didn't follow the elections at all, that's the only thing that I've heard, I guess there's your problem (assuming you lean democrat). What I wonder as a complete outsider: how bad must the image of "the left" be that a shady right-wing populist megalomaniac businessman with sexist tendencies wins the election a second time? Are the democrats associated with a handful of radicals and idealistic goals that don't apply to the silent majority, or is there a perception that they can't handle the current political and economical challenges?

code_runner 2y ago

And that’s why you have to appeal to them all the more. You have to be able to understand and counteract messaging like this. Proof is in the pudding

tekknik 2y ago
do you remember a time when the republicans were even keeled and tempered and the democrats kept calling them hitler, nazis, facists, and so on? I certainly remember. The only way to counter this message is to stop with the hate speech. Like the parent above said. Even independents are tired of it now. Of course likely the left will again ignore the warnings and continue on so I’m quite anxious to see what 2026 and 2028 bring.
- philistine 2y ago
  I have no clue what you're talking about? Did Gore call Bush a fascist? Obama? Ultimately, I see the world this way: people want good things for others. Most people who voted for Trump aren't directly fascists. Trump himself I wouldn't even qualify as a fascist. But he espouses fascistic policies. Immigrants polluting the blood of America, stuff like that, those are fascist ways of talking about immigration. So at some point we have to talk about things, and denounce them. And no, Trump himself is not Mussolini. But the shortcut of calling him a fascist is ultimately okay. Same thing with racisms. Most people aren't fundamentally racist, but they'll espouse racist opinions. So they're racist.
  - tekknik 2y ago
    if you believe the left hasn’t ramped up the vitriol against their supposed enemies then you’re living under a rock. have you already forgotten this same hatred almost got Trump shot twice? the rest of us haven’t.
    - sofixa 2y ago
      Trump is literally a convicted rapist. Mounted an insurrection. Pedophile. Serial cheater. Mocked disabled people and veterans. Literally stole money from a children's cancer charity. You can literally, no exaggeration, pull out tens of those indisputable facts, which in a normal world, would be immediately disqualifying. You wouldn't hire someone who has said any of the millions of things he has said. Do you remember grab them by the pussy? Would you be friends, or hire, or tolerate anyone speaking like that? Pointing them out and how fundamentally unsuited that man is for any job, let alone the presidency of any country, is not "hatred". If you have a problem with people being shot at, take this up with your local representative to get better controls on who can acquire a weapon.
      - tekknik 2y ago
        > Trump is literally a convicted rapist. Stopping here because this is a blatant lie. He was NOT convicted of rape but instead sexual abuse. They are not the same and if you need further evidence then consult a lawyer. Remember that disinformation the left claimed the right was spreading? guess what you’re doing now?
        sofixa 2y ago
        Oh, my deepest apologies. He's not a convicted rapist, only a convicted sexual abuser. Also a close associate and friend to a known pedophile ringleader, so very highly probably a rapist and child molester too. Does rape vs sexual abuse change much in your view? Especially when there's also him bragging about grabbing them right by the pussy.
        tekknik 2y ago
- code_runner 2y ago
  I don't know of a time in recent memory with "even keeled" republicans (at least beyond the Primary). Romney and McCain would be the last I'm aware of. I'm confident that I've heard both sides saying exactly what you're saying though... and I remember many times that "the end of democracy" was around the corner.... and if such-and-such wins a race war is going to break out etc. The rhetoric and post-election-dooming is always the same regardless of which side wins. I pretty firmly believe that things like the economy, incumbents tendency to remain in power, and a party switch after hitting the term-limit are the biggest factors. What people actually say once the primaries are over just doesn't matter to most people. People will cherry-pick what they want to hear.
  - tekknik 2y ago
    If you’re on Romney and McCain then you’re showing your age. Look back further.

wvh 2y ago

Exactly. If, as a non-American who is non-political and didn't follow the elections at all, that's the only thing that I've heard, I guess there's your problem (assuming you lean democrat). What I wonder as a complete outsider: how bad must the image of "the left" be that a shady right-wing populist megalomaniac businessman with sexist tendencies wins the election a second time? Are the democrats associated with a handful of radicals and idealistic goals that don't apply to the silent majority, or is there a perception that they can't handle the current political and economical challenges?