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That doesn’t even help for married men because they can use contraception with their wife.

ZeroGravitas 2y ago
But they can't use contraception to stop their wife dying from a miscarraige of a wanted child in a state where the doctors fear being jailed for taking the necessary medical steps for saving the mother's life, if that looks too much like an abortion.
- zpeti 2y ago
  Remind me again - who in the history of the world has ever not been ok with abortion to save the mother?
  - bhickey 2y ago
    https://www.propublica.org/article/josseli-barnica-death-miscarriage-texas-abortion-ban https://www.propublica.org/article/josseli-barnica-death-mis... https://www.propublica.org/article/nevaeh-crain-death-texas-abortion-ban-emtala https://www.propublica.org/article/nevaeh-crain-death-texas-... https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Death_of_Savita_Halappanavar https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Death_of_Savita_Halappanavar
  - nindalf 2y ago
    I remember a notable Irish case where a mother died because the doctors refused to perform an abortion. Led to a constitutional change. Woman dies after abortion request 'refused' at Galway hospital (https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-northern-ireland-20321741.amp https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-northern-ireland-20321741.amp). There have been cases like this in America but I’m not going to look it up. Fortunately the other commenter did. Hope this changed your opinion :)
  - gabrielhidasy 2y ago
    A few very religious people, but I don't think any of those had traction to get that into law in the US recently.
  - Retric 2y ago
    The line isn’t clear cut as risk isn’t a guarantee. Multiple US woman have already died when doctors where unwilling to intervene despite significant issues being present. There’s a lot of politics involved but as an example Josseli Barnica died in 2021 before row vs wade was overturned with doctors refusing to act over legal concerns despite clear and significant issues.
  - jampekka 2y ago
    You're vastly underestimating how cruel people can get, especially when they are on religion. https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2023/01/21/us/abortion-ban-exceptions.html https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2023/01/21/us/abortion-b...
  - ZeroGravitas 2y ago
    What do you think those "9-month abortions” people talk about are for?
- tekknik 2y ago
  This has already been covered. Any Dr too scared to read and interpret a law needs to give up their license because they’re pushing a political agenda. If you don’t want to get pregnant it’s quite easy even if you don’t use contraceptives. Mistaken pregnancies need to go back to health class.
  - whatever1 2y ago
    The hospitals turn women in trouble away instructing them to come back in a comma or something. Not sure what can be done.
    - tekknik 2y ago
      maybe being actually dying or at risk of dying from a pregnancy? look the entire point is to stop voluntary abortions, which make up like 98% of all abortions. most abortions are optional. nobody is against medically required abortions, not even religious people. give up already on the old and invalidated arguments.
      - whatever1 2y ago
        You sound rational, but the actual implications of the policy execution are brutal. As a father of a girl I am inconsolable. Emergency rooms refused to treat pregnant women, leaving one to miscarry in a lobby restroom https://apnews.com/article/pregnancy-emergency-care-abortion-supreme-court-roe-9ce6c87c8fc653c840654de1ae5f7a1c https://apnews.com/article/pregnancy-emergency-care-abortion... A pregnant teenager died after trying to get care in three visits to Texas emergency rooms https://www.texastribune.org/2024/11/01/nevaeh-crain-death-texas-abortion-ban-emtala/ https://www.texastribune.org/2024/11/01/nevaeh-crain-death-t...
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no_wizard 2y ago
The very contraception republicans are in record repeatedly wanting to ban? https://apnews.com/article/contraception-senate-abortion-biden-trump-reproductive-rights-3f9e8546624a3acf8e64d1138fcb84b1 https://apnews.com/article/contraception-senate-abortion-bid...

But they can't use contraception to stop their wife dying from a miscarraige of a wanted child in a state where the doctors fear being jailed for taking the necessary medical steps for saving the mother's life, if that looks too much like an abortion.

zpeti 2y ago
Remind me again - who in the history of the world has ever not been ok with abortion to save the mother?
- bhickey 2y ago
  https://www.propublica.org/article/josseli-barnica-death-miscarriage-texas-abortion-ban https://www.propublica.org/article/josseli-barnica-death-mis... https://www.propublica.org/article/nevaeh-crain-death-texas-abortion-ban-emtala https://www.propublica.org/article/nevaeh-crain-death-texas-... https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Death_of_Savita_Halappanavar https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Death_of_Savita_Halappanavar
- nindalf 2y ago
  I remember a notable Irish case where a mother died because the doctors refused to perform an abortion. Led to a constitutional change. Woman dies after abortion request 'refused' at Galway hospital (https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-northern-ireland-20321741.amp https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-northern-ireland-20321741.amp). There have been cases like this in America but I’m not going to look it up. Fortunately the other commenter did. Hope this changed your opinion :)
- gabrielhidasy 2y ago
  A few very religious people, but I don't think any of those had traction to get that into law in the US recently.
- Retric 2y ago
  The line isn’t clear cut as risk isn’t a guarantee. Multiple US woman have already died when doctors where unwilling to intervene despite significant issues being present. There’s a lot of politics involved but as an example Josseli Barnica died in 2021 before row vs wade was overturned with doctors refusing to act over legal concerns despite clear and significant issues.
- jampekka 2y ago
  You're vastly underestimating how cruel people can get, especially when they are on religion. https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2023/01/21/us/abortion-ban-exceptions.html https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2023/01/21/us/abortion-b...
- ZeroGravitas 2y ago
  What do you think those "9-month abortions” people talk about are for?
tekknik 2y ago
This has already been covered. Any Dr too scared to read and interpret a law needs to give up their license because they’re pushing a political agenda. If you don’t want to get pregnant it’s quite easy even if you don’t use contraceptives. Mistaken pregnancies need to go back to health class.
- whatever1 2y ago
  The hospitals turn women in trouble away instructing them to come back in a comma or something. Not sure what can be done.
  - tekknik 2y ago
    maybe being actually dying or at risk of dying from a pregnancy? look the entire point is to stop voluntary abortions, which make up like 98% of all abortions. most abortions are optional. nobody is against medically required abortions, not even religious people. give up already on the old and invalidated arguments.
    - whatever1 2y ago
      You sound rational, but the actual implications of the policy execution are brutal. As a father of a girl I am inconsolable. Emergency rooms refused to treat pregnant women, leaving one to miscarry in a lobby restroom https://apnews.com/article/pregnancy-emergency-care-abortion-supreme-court-roe-9ce6c87c8fc653c840654de1ae5f7a1c https://apnews.com/article/pregnancy-emergency-care-abortion... A pregnant teenager died after trying to get care in three visits to Texas emergency rooms https://www.texastribune.org/2024/11/01/nevaeh-crain-death-texas-abortion-ban-emtala/ https://www.texastribune.org/2024/11/01/nevaeh-crain-death-t...
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no_wizard 2y ago

The very contraception republicans are in record repeatedly wanting to ban? https://apnews.com/article/contraception-senate-abortion-biden-trump-reproductive-rights-3f9e8546624a3acf8e64d1138fcb84b1 https://apnews.com/article/contraception-senate-abortion-bid...