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As a non-American, how does Donald Trump seem to oppose democracy? That is the message continuously published here by generalist German newspapers, but I canno

by tirant 2y ago

As a non-American, how does Donald Trump seem to oppose democracy? That is the message continuously published here by generalist German newspapers, but I cannot find any substance behind it.

simonask 2y ago
I'm also not American, but how can this not be obvious to you? Start with the January 6 coup attempt. Here's a list, though: https://www.washingtonpost.com/business/2020/10/29/trump-democracy-abnormal-ratings/ https://www.washingtonpost.com/business/2020/10/29/trump-dem...
- wholinator2 2y ago
  Where's the chart? I can only see the first paragraph
  - chuankl 2y ago
    Try this gift link to the article: https://wapo.st/3CeK2hk https://wapo.st/3CeK2hk
  - nobody9999 2y ago
    https://archive.ph/fFirx https://archive.ph/fFirx
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ttyprintk 2y ago
He has said all these things: - the Constitution needs suspending - he needs extrajudicial purges - vote counting shall be stopped at a particular time. Officials in charge of the mechanics of democracy need to be pressured explicitly about this. - the peaceful transition of power needs to be interrupted - expectations held together by norms hold no value. The very tradition of democracy is optional. It might be irrational to spend effort voting —engaging in democracy— to elevate someone so skeptical of it. And your newspaper and even in this thread people are extremely polite about those doing so.
- AnimalMuppet 2y ago
  - Media that criticizes him should lose their broadcast licenses (ABC, CBS) or shut down (Google). - The Federal Reserve should do what he says rather than be independent. - Military generals should be as obedient to him as German generals were to Hitler.
bluesnews 2y ago
He generates doubt around the election result "if I lost, it is because of fraud" and provoked a group of people to attempt the overturn the previous election. Plus more subtle things like election rule changes that reduce democracy in the background.
Bluescreenbuddy 2y ago
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- tirant 2y ago
  That is exactly what I am doing, looking harder by asking people around. Your attitude es not helpful.
  - p_j_w 2y ago
    You've been given multiple lists and have refused to engage with them. This doesn't sound like intellectual honesty.
ordu 2y ago
I personally came to this opinion when he declared previous elections rigged without any evidence. The election institute and its fairness is a cornerstone myth of a democracy, you cannot destroy it without ruining the democracy. If the election institute is corrupted there is no way to have a legitimate president. You can have only tyrants and dictators after that. It means that you are not anti-democratic you can oppose the election institute only if you know it is corrupt. But Trump didn't know, I'm sure he knew that the elections were not rigged, and yet he attacked the elections. I was not sure, because I had a hypothesis that Trump is just stupid and do not understand what he is doing. But before the current elections he talked a lot how he is going to abuse power to persecute political opponents, or just any opponents, if we believe his words, he is going to persecute everyone he doesn't like.

by tirant 2y ago

As a non-American, how does Donald Trump seem to oppose democracy? That is the message continuously published here by generalist German newspapers, but I cannot find any substance behind it.

simonask 2y ago

I'm also not American, but how can this not be obvious to you? Start with the January 6 coup attempt. Here's a list, though: https://www.washingtonpost.com/business/2020/10/29/trump-democracy-abnormal-ratings/ https://www.washingtonpost.com/business/2020/10/29/trump-dem...

wholinator2 2y ago
Where's the chart? I can only see the first paragraph
- chuankl 2y ago
  Try this gift link to the article: https://wapo.st/3CeK2hk https://wapo.st/3CeK2hk
- nobody9999 2y ago
  https://archive.ph/fFirx https://archive.ph/fFirx

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ttyprintk 2y ago

He has said all these things: - the Constitution needs suspending - he needs extrajudicial purges - vote counting shall be stopped at a particular time. Officials in charge of the mechanics of democracy need to be pressured explicitly about this. - the peaceful transition of power needs to be interrupted - expectations held together by norms hold no value. The very tradition of democracy is optional. It might be irrational to spend effort voting —engaging in democracy— to elevate someone so skeptical of it. And your newspaper and even in this thread people are extremely polite about those doing so.

AnimalMuppet 2y ago
- Media that criticizes him should lose their broadcast licenses (ABC, CBS) or shut down (Google). - The Federal Reserve should do what he says rather than be independent. - Military generals should be as obedient to him as German generals were to Hitler.

bluesnews 2y ago

He generates doubt around the election result "if I lost, it is because of fraud" and provoked a group of people to attempt the overturn the previous election. Plus more subtle things like election rule changes that reduce democracy in the background.

Bluescreenbuddy 2y ago

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tirant 2y ago
That is exactly what I am doing, looking harder by asking people around. Your attitude es not helpful.
- p_j_w 2y ago
  You've been given multiple lists and have refused to engage with them. This doesn't sound like intellectual honesty.

ordu 2y ago

I personally came to this opinion when he declared previous elections rigged without any evidence. The election institute and its fairness is a cornerstone myth of a democracy, you cannot destroy it without ruining the democracy. If the election institute is corrupted there is no way to have a legitimate president. You can have only tyrants and dictators after that. It means that you are not anti-democratic you can oppose the election institute only if you know it is corrupt. But Trump didn't know, I'm sure he knew that the elections were not rigged, and yet he attacked the elections. I was not sure, because I had a hypothesis that Trump is just stupid and do not understand what he is doing. But before the current elections he talked a lot how he is going to abuse power to persecute political opponents, or just any opponents, if we believe his words, he is going to persecute everyone he doesn't like.