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The Overton window has shifted insanely right in the US. The democrats would be considered centrist or even centre right in much of the EU.

by messe 2y ago

jvmboi81 2y ago
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- amarcheschi 2y ago
  Considering that our far right government in italy hiked taxes and approved the biggest number of visa for slave workers, yeah they do except for women's rights
- smolder 2y ago
  Nobody wants abortion at 9 months.
  - reverius42 2y ago
    Women who are otherwise going to die because of a medical condition might want to have an abortion at 9 months (for example). The idea of being "for abortion at 9 months" just means allowing those women to live (instead of having to have their babies whether or not it kills them).
- bigfudge 2y ago
  Most dems, and certainly Harris, want nothing to do with abortion at 9 months. This is adding nothing to this discussion.
  - jvmboi81 2y ago
    If Dems don't want it why have they passed a bill that allows exactly that? My post is already censored btw.
- antifa 2y ago
  I think they do want those strange made-up strawman policies.
astrange 2y ago
When people say this, they just seem to mean European countries have more universal healthcare than the US does. But /keeping/ your healthcare program after it's already been invented is conservative! European parties are definitely not to the left of the Democrats on immigration or minority rights.
- messe 2y ago
  Nah, there's far more to it than that. Workers' rights, consumer rights, privacy laws, and strong regulations around corporations for a start.
  - deleted 2y ago
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  - astrange 2y ago
    The issue with new rights vs preserving existing rights also applies here I think. Lina Khan's FTC is left of most of these though. They're trying to break up Google right now!
arandomusername 2y ago
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- timeon 2y ago
  Those are not left policies. Just liberal. We have both left and right parties that have similar policies. We also have left and right parties that area against it.
  - arandomusername 2y ago
    Left are liberal policies, right are conservative policies.
- graemep 2y ago
  All of which are "social liberal". These, and a lot of other things are pretty much randomly left/right. For example in the UK it was the traditionally right wing party that legalised same sex marriage. In the 70s the left (then actual socialists!) opposed EEC membership, by the time we left the EU it was the right who wanted to leave. What the US never had (and which is pretty much dead in the UK now) is a real economically left wing party. In the UK this has lead to a lot of people (including myself) feeling that there is not much difference between the big parties. This helps for extreme parties in the UK. In the US which is more of a two party system perhaps it helps feed the rise of extreme movements within the existing parties?
  - arandomusername 2y ago
    Social liberal policies are left. And yeah, politics are a lot more complex than left/right so you will often see a party you'd normally consider left/right enact a policy you'd see from the other side.
    - graemep 2y ago
      > Social liberal policies are left. How so? Only because we say so now. TO some extent I think we identify issues as social liberal because they are what the left in the US favours. There are plenty of examples of let wing parties and governments being quite the opposite - take a look at gay rights in communist China or the toing and froing in the Soviet Union. The same with many traditional socialists around the world.
NeutralCrane 2y ago
Very much depends on the issue being discussed. Economically? Perhaps. Socially? Absolutely not. The US is far out on its own branch when it comes to things like LGBTQ issues, racial and other identity issues, immigration, etc. I’m not sure these played as much of a role as the economy in terms of this election, but they are absolutely next in line in terms of the issues looming large in voters’ minds.
FergusArgyll 2y ago
Americans want a better future than what seems in the cards for the EU
- messe 2y ago
  Then they've chosen a poor route toward it.

The Overton window has shifted insanely right in the US. The democrats would be considered centrist or even centre right in much of the EU.

by messe 2y ago

The Overton window has shifted insanely right in the US. The democrats would be considered centrist or even centre right in much of the EU.

jvmboi81 2y ago

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amarcheschi 2y ago
Considering that our far right government in italy hiked taxes and approved the biggest number of visa for slave workers, yeah they do except for women's rights
smolder 2y ago
Nobody wants abortion at 9 months.
- reverius42 2y ago
  Women who are otherwise going to die because of a medical condition might want to have an abortion at 9 months (for example). The idea of being "for abortion at 9 months" just means allowing those women to live (instead of having to have their babies whether or not it kills them).
bigfudge 2y ago
Most dems, and certainly Harris, want nothing to do with abortion at 9 months. This is adding nothing to this discussion.
- jvmboi81 2y ago
  If Dems don't want it why have they passed a bill that allows exactly that? My post is already censored btw.
antifa 2y ago
I think they do want those strange made-up strawman policies.

astrange 2y ago

When people say this, they just seem to mean European countries have more universal healthcare than the US does. But /keeping/ your healthcare program after it's already been invented is conservative! European parties are definitely not to the left of the Democrats on immigration or minority rights.

messe 2y ago
Nah, there's far more to it than that. Workers' rights, consumer rights, privacy laws, and strong regulations around corporations for a start.
- deleted 2y ago
  [deleted]
- astrange 2y ago
  The issue with new rights vs preserving existing rights also applies here I think. Lina Khan's FTC is left of most of these though. They're trying to break up Google right now!

arandomusername 2y ago

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timeon 2y ago
Those are not left policies. Just liberal. We have both left and right parties that have similar policies. We also have left and right parties that area against it.
- arandomusername 2y ago
  Left are liberal policies, right are conservative policies.
graemep 2y ago
All of which are "social liberal". These, and a lot of other things are pretty much randomly left/right. For example in the UK it was the traditionally right wing party that legalised same sex marriage. In the 70s the left (then actual socialists!) opposed EEC membership, by the time we left the EU it was the right who wanted to leave. What the US never had (and which is pretty much dead in the UK now) is a real economically left wing party. In the UK this has lead to a lot of people (including myself) feeling that there is not much difference between the big parties. This helps for extreme parties in the UK. In the US which is more of a two party system perhaps it helps feed the rise of extreme movements within the existing parties?
- arandomusername 2y ago
  Social liberal policies are left. And yeah, politics are a lot more complex than left/right so you will often see a party you'd normally consider left/right enact a policy you'd see from the other side.
  - graemep 2y ago
    > Social liberal policies are left. How so? Only because we say so now. TO some extent I think we identify issues as social liberal because they are what the left in the US favours. There are plenty of examples of let wing parties and governments being quite the opposite - take a look at gay rights in communist China or the toing and froing in the Soviet Union. The same with many traditional socialists around the world.

NeutralCrane 2y ago

Very much depends on the issue being discussed. Economically? Perhaps. Socially? Absolutely not. The US is far out on its own branch when it comes to things like LGBTQ issues, racial and other identity issues, immigration, etc. I’m not sure these played as much of a role as the economy in terms of this election, but they are absolutely next in line in terms of the issues looming large in voters’ minds.

FergusArgyll 2y ago

Americans want a better future than what seems in the cards for the EU

messe 2y ago
Then they've chosen a poor route toward it.