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> It should, but it doesn't. A flight or bus ticket to California or Colorado for a once-in-a-lifetime service costs multiple orders of magnitude less than the
by 15155 2y ago
> It should, but it doesn't.
A flight or bus ticket to California or Colorado for a once-in-a-lifetime service costs multiple orders of magnitude less than the recurring cost of groceries and basic goods.
- kragen 2y agoIf you don't get arrested when you get off the return flight.
- ryukoposting 2y agoYour wife dying because your flight got delayed, and you being imprisoned for trying to save her, are also once in a lifetime events.
- 15155 2y agoHow many people die because they didn't obtain an abortion in the nick of time? Is this normally an urgent service (outside of legally time-limited states?) How many people struggle to afford buying groceries?
- creato 2y agoThere have been several cases that made the news in the last few weeks in the wake of new abortion bans, e.g. https://www.texastribune.org/2024/11/01/nevaeh-crain-death-texas-abortion-ban-emtala/ https://www.texastribune.org/2024/11/01/nevaeh-crain-death-t...
- 15155 2y agoThese edge cases are tragic, yes, and shouldn't happen. Economic hardship results in orders of magnitude more all-cause mortality, making it the more important problem to solve.
- adrianN 2y agoI find it sad that this is framed as an either-or problem.
- 15155 2y agoWe have a two-party system: this is the natural conclusion of applied game theory and is unfortunate.
- willsmith72 2y agoif you believe tariffs and digging are magic pills to an economy, sure (one which in the past year is actually doing extremely well)
- arghwhat 2y agoLooking purely at the cases where an abortion is required for health reasons: Emergency abortions required for health reasons are often needed when things go wrong, and when that is the case it might need to be performed either soon or immediately. Being in a state that opposes it might delay the decision in ways that injure or kill the mother. Non-emergency abortions required for health reasons - that is, when there is significant risk but it is not unfolding yet - also happen but being in a state that opposes abortions at any level in general might make it difficult - doctors not willing to suggest it to avoid risk to their business, those around you refusing the need and convincing you that it would be bad, not to mention having to plan a medical trip to a foreign location to get it done - and in turn put the mother at risk of injury or death through inaction.
- 15155 2y agoOk, how many people die or commit suicide because they cannot afford basic goods and services?
- arghwhat 2y agoI’m sorry, but I don’t see the relevance of your question. Does it somehow make it less relevant to fix a cause of death because more people die of other unrelated causes? Far more people die in accidents than any other causes of death in the U.S., seemingly only beat by cancer and heart disease. That doesn’t make every other cause of death any less troubling or worth fixing, and it certainly does not mean that one should hold back existing treatments for “lesser” deaths or injuries. Any avoidable injury or premature death is one too many.
- antifa 2y agoIt's a new thing Texas invented.
- amarcheschi 2y agoHow many people struggling to afford buying groceries voted for the guy who promised tax cuts for the rich?
- eadmund 2y agoI believe that abortion to save the mother’s life is legal in all 50 states, every territory and the federal district. There are a small number of women who have died due to their physicians and/or hospitals misinterpreting the law, just as there are patients who die every day due to physicians’ and hospitals’ mistakes. Those are issues which need to be addressed. But — so far as I know — right now there is nowhere in the country where if a pregnant woman’s life is threatened by her pregnancy then she cannot legally obtain a medical abortion.
- shadowfacts 2y agoIn principle, that is true. But that is simply not the reality on the ground. States ban abortion with such exceedingly narrow exceptions that doctors and hospitals delay until the point of actively endangering women. Four deaths, reported on by one outlet, in the past couple months: - A Texas teenager died after going to three emergency rooms and being misdiagnosed and denied treatment: https://www.propublica.org/article/nevaeh-crain-death-texas-abortion-ban-emtala https://www.propublica.org/article/nevaeh-crain-death-texas-... - Another Texas woman died after a miscarriage as a result of doctors not treating her due to the state's fetal heartbeat law: https://www.propublica.org/article/josseli-barnica-death-miscarriage-texas-abortion-ban https://www.propublica.org/article/josseli-barnica-death-mis... - A Georgia woman with chronic health conditions, which can make pregnancy highly risky but did not exempt her from Georgia's abortion ban, died of complications from a medication abortion: https://www.propublica.org/article/candi-miller-abortion-ban-death-georgia https://www.propublica.org/article/candi-miller-abortion-ban... - Another Georgia woman died because doctors delayed 20 hours after she arrived at a hospital—9 hours after she was diagnosed with sepsis—before treating her: https://www.propublica.org/article/georgia-abortion-ban-amber-thurman-death https://www.propublica.org/article/georgia-abortion-ban-ambe...
- nop_slide 2y ago> right now there is nowhere in the country where if a pregnant woman’s life is threatened by her pregnancy then she cannot legally obtain a medical abortion. This literally happened very recently https://www.propublica.org/article/nevaeh-crain-death-texas-abortion-ban-emtala https://www.propublica.org/article/nevaeh-crain-death-texas-...
- CalRobert 2y agoYou are absolutely right, but there are still a lot of people who can't pony up the cost of flight, lodging, etc. at short notice in a stressful situation.
- 15155 2y agoI think not being able to afford food and basic services may make it more difficult to sock away the $500 required for this edge case.
- bigfudge 2y agoBut inflation has been a global/western phenomena post Russian invasion and not unique to the US. Your economy has outperformed the developed averages. Non existent dem messaging on it is inexplicable to me… from a uk or European perspective your economic performance under Biden was enviable.
- DFHippie 2y agoAs a US citizen, it is frustrating but not inexplicable. The vast majority of the voters who had the opportunity, patience, ability, and inclination to follow an argument like this -- the inflation spike was global and the US did better than its peers -- voted for Harris. Opportunity is a key part of the problem: many voters live in walled informational gardens guarded by propagandists. The only messages that can penetrate into the gardens are short, emotional rather than rational, and lacking in nuance. They are indistinguishable from the constant barrage of lies and disinformation these people are exposed to.
- FrustratedMonky 2y ago"bus"??? Isn't one of the proposals from Republicans is to ban inter-state travel for pregnant women?
- FireBeyond 2y agoOne of the southern states introduced a new crime, "Conspiracy to commit abortion", which specifically targeted the idea of traveling out of state, researching abortion providers outside the state, and aiding someone with transportation, lodging, or financials around terminating a pregnancy.
- flakeoil 2y agoI hope you will enjoy your flight to another state the next time you are sick and need surgery.
- 15155 2y agoFortunately, I'll be able to afford it because I won't be pumping my entire paycheck into social programs, groceries, and supporting a massive population of unskilled illegal immigrants.