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> Isn't this a tentpole Republican/MAGA desire? No, it's not. > Why overturn Roe otherwise? To let states decide how it should be handled, rather than a fede

> Isn't this a tentpole Republican/MAGA desire? No, it's not. > Why overturn Roe otherwise? To let states decide how it should be handled, rather than a federal mandate. Allowing different possibilities to be tested - maybe in some states it will become completely illegal, maybe in others mothers will face pressure to terminate a pregnancy.

amarcheschi 2y ago
I hope you don't really think that being pro choice is about pressuring woman to terminate pregnancies. Why do I think that's much more probable for abortion to become illegal than for women to be pressured to terminate pregnancies? Your comment feels so innocent, but different possibilities to be tested just ends up in women being denied abortion
- miningape 2y ago
  I think it's about as likely as it becoming illegal. There's too many good reasons to keep abortions even in a restricted state - even though it does open up a very messy moral can of worms.
  - amarcheschi 2y ago
    There already are states where abortion is very restricted or illegal. There aren't states where terminating pregnancies is forced
    - miningape 2y ago
      Forgive my ignorance but I didn't realise there were states it was illegal in. > There aren't states where terminating pregnancies is forced. I personally don't think this could ever come from a mandated level (same as outright bans), I think instead we see it in the form of social pressure: and we can already see it across the US. An estimated 65% of abortions in the US are unwanted but the mother was heavily pressured by peers, family, work, etc. You can also see this in the downstream effects: getting an abortion raises your chances of suicide by 6x and depression by 4x. Clinics also do not screen for coersion, the same way organ donations, adoptions, loans are all screened. Again, should abortion be illegal because of the above? No. But it does indicate it's not as innocent as making sure women are ready/able/willing to have a child.
      - amarcheschi 2y ago
        The only sources I can find about what you're saying is gutter something and lozier Institute, and by searching for them a bit it looks like they're catholic founded research. I'm gonna take what they say with a huge pinch of salt I'm gonna trust more a study by the university of San Francisco which finds that most women don't regret having an abortion or are happy about it https://www.ucsf.edu/news/2020/01/416421/five-years-after-abortion-nearly-all-women-say-it-was-right-decision-study https://www.ucsf.edu/news/2020/01/416421/five-years-after-ab...
        miningape 2y ago
        Thank you, I'm re-evaluating some of my opinions.
indigo0086 2y ago
Ballots across the country voted on various degrees of abortion and passed.
akmarinov 2y ago
> To let states decide how it should be handled If that's the case - why are states criminalizing getting an abortion in another state? Some states decide for all states, that's the sort of thing that has to be decided on a federal level
kristjansson 2y ago
> To let states decide how it should be handled, rather than a federal mandate. Allowing different possibilities to be tested - maybe in some states it will become completely illegal Why should one get to play Laboratory of Democracy with women's lives?

amarcheschi 2y ago

I hope you don't really think that being pro choice is about pressuring woman to terminate pregnancies. Why do I think that's much more probable for abortion to become illegal than for women to be pressured to terminate pregnancies? Your comment feels so innocent, but different possibilities to be tested just ends up in women being denied abortion

miningape 2y ago
I think it's about as likely as it becoming illegal. There's too many good reasons to keep abortions even in a restricted state - even though it does open up a very messy moral can of worms.
- amarcheschi 2y ago
  There already are states where abortion is very restricted or illegal. There aren't states where terminating pregnancies is forced
  - miningape 2y ago
    Forgive my ignorance but I didn't realise there were states it was illegal in. > There aren't states where terminating pregnancies is forced. I personally don't think this could ever come from a mandated level (same as outright bans), I think instead we see it in the form of social pressure: and we can already see it across the US. An estimated 65% of abortions in the US are unwanted but the mother was heavily pressured by peers, family, work, etc. You can also see this in the downstream effects: getting an abortion raises your chances of suicide by 6x and depression by 4x. Clinics also do not screen for coersion, the same way organ donations, adoptions, loans are all screened. Again, should abortion be illegal because of the above? No. But it does indicate it's not as innocent as making sure women are ready/able/willing to have a child.
    - amarcheschi 2y ago
      The only sources I can find about what you're saying is gutter something and lozier Institute, and by searching for them a bit it looks like they're catholic founded research. I'm gonna take what they say with a huge pinch of salt I'm gonna trust more a study by the university of San Francisco which finds that most women don't regret having an abortion or are happy about it https://www.ucsf.edu/news/2020/01/416421/five-years-after-abortion-nearly-all-women-say-it-was-right-decision-study https://www.ucsf.edu/news/2020/01/416421/five-years-after-ab...
      - miningape 2y ago
        Thank you, I'm re-evaluating some of my opinions.

indigo0086 2y ago

Ballots across the country voted on various degrees of abortion and passed.

akmarinov 2y ago

> To let states decide how it should be handled If that's the case - why are states criminalizing getting an abortion in another state? Some states decide for all states, that's the sort of thing that has to be decided on a federal level

kristjansson 2y ago

> To let states decide how it should be handled, rather than a federal mandate. Allowing different possibilities to be tested - maybe in some states it will become completely illegal Why should one get to play Laboratory of Democracy with women's lives?