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- Anti abortion law possibly being implemented on a federal level Curious what do you base that on?

by drexlspivey 2y ago

miningape 2y ago
Fear, rage, and entitlement. Trump has been very clear he just doesn't want it regulated at a federal level.
- treyd 2y ago
  Yet all the people he associates with do. I wonder what the most likely outcome from that might involve...
- boesboes 2y ago
  He has also been very clear he wants to imprison his opponents and violently deal with immigrants. What should we believe?
  - miningape 2y ago
    > He has also been very clear he wants to imprison his opponents When? He's gone out of his way to *not* imprison his opponents. Why do you think Hillary is still running around? > violently deal with immigrants *Illegal Immigrants Not so sure about the violent part either, but let's just say that that's true.
akmarinov 2y ago
Isn't this a tentpole Republican/MAGA desire? Why overturn Roe otherwise? Why not implement it now when they'll control all branches of government and have a 6-3 favor in the supreme court?
- miningape 2y ago
  > Isn't this a tentpole Republican/MAGA desire? No, it's not. > Why overturn Roe otherwise? To let states decide how it should be handled, rather than a federal mandate. Allowing different possibilities to be tested - maybe in some states it will become completely illegal, maybe in others mothers will face pressure to terminate a pregnancy.
  - amarcheschi 2y ago
    I hope you don't really think that being pro choice is about pressuring woman to terminate pregnancies. Why do I think that's much more probable for abortion to become illegal than for women to be pressured to terminate pregnancies? Your comment feels so innocent, but different possibilities to be tested just ends up in women being denied abortion
    - miningape 2y ago
      I think it's about as likely as it becoming illegal. There's too many good reasons to keep abortions even in a restricted state - even though it does open up a very messy moral can of worms.
      - amarcheschi 2y ago
        There already are states where abortion is very restricted or illegal. There aren't states where terminating pregnancies is forced
        miningape 2y ago
        Forgive my ignorance but I didn't realise there were states it was illegal in. > There aren't states where terminating pregnancies is forced. I personally don't think this could ever come from a mandated level (same as outright bans), I think instead we see it in the form of social pressure: and we can already see it across the US. An estimated 65% of abortions in the US are unwanted but the mother was heavily pressured by peers, family, work, etc. You can also see this in the downstream effects: getting an abortion raises your chances of suicide by 6x and depression by 4x. Clinics also do not screen for coersion, the same way organ donations, adoptions, loans are all screened. Again, should abortion be illegal because of the above? No. But it does indicate it's not as innocent as making sure women are ready/able/willing to have a child.
        amarcheschi 2y ago

- Anti abortion law possibly being implemented on a federal level Curious what do you base that on?

miningape 2y ago

Fear, rage, and entitlement. Trump has been very clear he just doesn't want it regulated at a federal level.

treyd 2y ago
Yet all the people he associates with do. I wonder what the most likely outcome from that might involve...
boesboes 2y ago
He has also been very clear he wants to imprison his opponents and violently deal with immigrants. What should we believe?
- miningape 2y ago
  > He has also been very clear he wants to imprison his opponents When? He's gone out of his way to *not* imprison his opponents. Why do you think Hillary is still running around? > violently deal with immigrants *Illegal Immigrants Not so sure about the violent part either, but let's just say that that's true.

akmarinov 2y ago

Isn't this a tentpole Republican/MAGA desire? Why overturn Roe otherwise? Why not implement it now when they'll control all branches of government and have a 6-3 favor in the supreme court?

miningape 2y ago
> Isn't this a tentpole Republican/MAGA desire? No, it's not. > Why overturn Roe otherwise? To let states decide how it should be handled, rather than a federal mandate. Allowing different possibilities to be tested - maybe in some states it will become completely illegal, maybe in others mothers will face pressure to terminate a pregnancy.
- amarcheschi 2y ago
  I hope you don't really think that being pro choice is about pressuring woman to terminate pregnancies. Why do I think that's much more probable for abortion to become illegal than for women to be pressured to terminate pregnancies? Your comment feels so innocent, but different possibilities to be tested just ends up in women being denied abortion
  - miningape 2y ago
    I think it's about as likely as it becoming illegal. There's too many good reasons to keep abortions even in a restricted state - even though it does open up a very messy moral can of worms.
    - amarcheschi 2y ago
      There already are states where abortion is very restricted or illegal. There aren't states where terminating pregnancies is forced
      - miningape 2y ago
        Forgive my ignorance but I didn't realise there were states it was illegal in. > There aren't states where terminating pregnancies is forced. I personally don't think this could ever come from a mandated level (same as outright bans), I think instead we see it in the form of social pressure: and we can already see it across the US. An estimated 65% of abortions in the US are unwanted but the mother was heavily pressured by peers, family, work, etc. You can also see this in the downstream effects: getting an abortion raises your chances of suicide by 6x and depression by 4x. Clinics also do not screen for coersion, the same way organ donations, adoptions, loans are all screened. Again, should abortion be illegal because of the above? No. But it does indicate it's not as innocent as making sure women are ready/able/willing to have a child.
        amarcheschi 2y ago