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frereubu 2y ago
This is a confusing comment that I don't think answers my question.
lelanthran 2y ago
> fascists have come to power in the past, or they are just into fascism and prefer that kind of thing. This, right here, has been the focal point of Dem supporters everywhere - doubling down on the name-calling. I seriously doubt that more than half the voters are homophobic, misogynistic fascists, but calling them that only stops them from engaging, it doesn't magically cause them to rethink their position and switch their vote.
- zimpenfish 2y ago
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  - ekianjo 2y ago
    Who is homophobic?
- master-lincoln 2y ago
  So these people care more about what other people call them than how their nation is governed?
  - lelanthran 2y ago
    > So these people care more about what other people call them than how their nation is governed? When it is the people governing them, that's a perfectly rational decision - why would someone who views me with contempt govern me fairly?
    - deleted 2y ago
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- whoitwas 2y ago
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  - pineaux 2y ago
    Maybe, but does it matter? How do you beat fascists? Look at Deutschland before the NSDAP took power. Many people tried to fight the NSDAP, with violence, with writings, with rallies, demonstrations... But all of it didnt work. It only made them more resolute. There must be a better way.
    - whoitwas 2y ago
      With public education which they fight against or a world war.
- frereubu 2y ago
  @whoitwas The point of this comment was that not all Republican voters are MAGA.
- siffin 2y ago
  You're right, but boy does it suck when antifa has to not only fight to win, but take the moral high ground and baby the potential fascists so they don't become actual fascists.
  - faggotbreath 2y ago
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- lobsterthief 2y ago
  It goes both ways though. Taking the high road doesn’t seem to work either.
- pineaux 2y ago
  This. Its the arrogance of the Dems that is making people turn to Trump. It's getting on the high horse and calling all Trump supporters trash and drooling fucktards and stuff like that. You are making yourself look bad. Imagine someone isnt so politically active, but hears an elitist dem calling people they dont know a drooling fucktard, what do you think they will think?
  - data_maan 2y ago
    Except Trump calls people all kinds of bad things and it doesn't seem to hurt him. Conclusion: You cannot arrogantly call someone a drooling fucktard. But you can call someone garbage non-arrogantly while also being a convicted felon. The MAGA snowflakes prefer the felon, their soft skin can't seem to withstand arrogance.
  - oersted 2y ago
    I don’t understand, Trump has been explicitly, frequently and consistently insulting to almost every group. That’s how it all started, that is also to a large degree his “saying how it is” appeal. If name calling and arrogance are the root of the issue, how come it has worked so well for Trump? This is a bizarre inversion, I would understand if you insisted on other qualities like wokeness or economic policy, but how are you managing to attribute the exact worst qualities of MAGA to the Dems?
- trymas 2y ago
  I guess there is no group of people that trump hasn’t name called (dems, gays, hispanics, blacks, you name it, etc.). It should’ve been disqualifying when president publicly mocks and physically parodies disabled journalist instead of answering god damn questions. Taking high road didn’t help in 2016, wouldn’t have helped now. But this trend is obviously not only in USA. Some political groups and their voters don’t care what is said, and other political group must upstand the highest moral standards.
  - Jensson 2y ago
    > I guess there is no group of people that trump hasn’t name called (dems, gays, hispanics, blacks, you name it, etc.). There are a few groups not there, and those won Trump the election, and Democrats has name called those groups. If Democrats didn't demonize those people then maybe Trump would have lost.
    - foldr 2y ago
      Trump got a larger share of the hispanic vote than in 2020. I'm not convinced that voters really care that much about being insulted on the whole. If you go through the archives, which parts of Trump's voter base haven't been insulted by him at one time or another?
      - trymas 2y ago
        Indeed. Mexicans, hispanics in general are insulted by him and his followers constantly, but it seems that this group brought the victory to him. Who trump hasn’t insulted? billionaires[0] and saudis? [0] though even Bezos is an exception.
        Jensson 2y ago
        > Who trump hasn’t insulted? billionaires[0] and saudis? Did Trump insult white men? You see Democrats say white men are the problem all the time, I never see Trump or his supporters say that.
- immibis 2y ago
  It's not name calling, it's descriptive and neutral.
- cglace 2y ago
  If you support and vote for a fascist you are a fascist.
- _yb2s 2y ago
  I don’t see it as name calling, the word Fascist plainly and accurately describes their positions and strategies. If they sincerely believe this is what is best, why would they see it as an insult rather than a compliment? It is true that Americans are pretty proud of winning WWII, and label that as defeating fascism… but it is plainly obvious that this current political movement aims to implement exactly what we were fighting to prevent back then. I think this is the main reason it is seen as an insult- people that language implies betrayal of what a lot of Americans died fighting for.
486sx33 2y ago
Wow, I knew the comments would be bad. But this is the point where I literally said wow aloud.
- immibis 2y ago
  Did he say something incorrect?
prepend 2y ago
> literally I do not think you know what this word means.
monstertank 2y ago
I like how you seem to think no atheists voted for Trump
- leptons 2y ago
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dang 2y ago
Can you please not break the site guidelines like this? You've been doing it a lot in this thread, as well as in other unrelated threads, and we've had to ask you this many times before. If you wouldn't mind reviewing https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html and taking the intended spirit of the site more to heart, we'd be grateful. (We detached this subthread from https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=42059721 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=42059721.)

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This is a confusing comment that I don't think answers my question.

> fascists have come to power in the past, or they are just into fascism and prefer that kind of thing. This, right here, has been the focal point of Dem supporters everywhere - doubling down on the name-calling. I seriously doubt that more than half the voters are homophobic, misogynistic fascists, but calling them that only stops them from engaging, it doesn't magically cause them to rethink their position and switch their vote.

zimpenfish 2y ago
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- ekianjo 2y ago
  Who is homophobic?
master-lincoln 2y ago
So these people care more about what other people call them than how their nation is governed?
- lelanthran 2y ago
  > So these people care more about what other people call them than how their nation is governed? When it is the people governing them, that's a perfectly rational decision - why would someone who views me with contempt govern me fairly?
  - deleted 2y ago
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whoitwas 2y ago
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- pineaux 2y ago
  Maybe, but does it matter? How do you beat fascists? Look at Deutschland before the NSDAP took power. Many people tried to fight the NSDAP, with violence, with writings, with rallies, demonstrations... But all of it didnt work. It only made them more resolute. There must be a better way.
  - whoitwas 2y ago
    With public education which they fight against or a world war.
frereubu 2y ago
@whoitwas The point of this comment was that not all Republican voters are MAGA.
siffin 2y ago
You're right, but boy does it suck when antifa has to not only fight to win, but take the moral high ground and baby the potential fascists so they don't become actual fascists.
- faggotbreath 2y ago
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lobsterthief 2y ago
It goes both ways though. Taking the high road doesn’t seem to work either.
pineaux 2y ago
This. Its the arrogance of the Dems that is making people turn to Trump. It's getting on the high horse and calling all Trump supporters trash and drooling fucktards and stuff like that. You are making yourself look bad. Imagine someone isnt so politically active, but hears an elitist dem calling people they dont know a drooling fucktard, what do you think they will think?
- data_maan 2y ago
  Except Trump calls people all kinds of bad things and it doesn't seem to hurt him. Conclusion: You cannot arrogantly call someone a drooling fucktard. But you can call someone garbage non-arrogantly while also being a convicted felon. The MAGA snowflakes prefer the felon, their soft skin can't seem to withstand arrogance.
- oersted 2y ago
  I don’t understand, Trump has been explicitly, frequently and consistently insulting to almost every group. That’s how it all started, that is also to a large degree his “saying how it is” appeal. If name calling and arrogance are the root of the issue, how come it has worked so well for Trump? This is a bizarre inversion, I would understand if you insisted on other qualities like wokeness or economic policy, but how are you managing to attribute the exact worst qualities of MAGA to the Dems?
trymas 2y ago
I guess there is no group of people that trump hasn’t name called (dems, gays, hispanics, blacks, you name it, etc.). It should’ve been disqualifying when president publicly mocks and physically parodies disabled journalist instead of answering god damn questions. Taking high road didn’t help in 2016, wouldn’t have helped now. But this trend is obviously not only in USA. Some political groups and their voters don’t care what is said, and other political group must upstand the highest moral standards.
- Jensson 2y ago
  > I guess there is no group of people that trump hasn’t name called (dems, gays, hispanics, blacks, you name it, etc.). There are a few groups not there, and those won Trump the election, and Democrats has name called those groups. If Democrats didn't demonize those people then maybe Trump would have lost.
  - foldr 2y ago
    Trump got a larger share of the hispanic vote than in 2020. I'm not convinced that voters really care that much about being insulted on the whole. If you go through the archives, which parts of Trump's voter base haven't been insulted by him at one time or another?
    - trymas 2y ago
      Indeed. Mexicans, hispanics in general are insulted by him and his followers constantly, but it seems that this group brought the victory to him. Who trump hasn’t insulted? billionaires[0] and saudis? [0] though even Bezos is an exception.
      - Jensson 2y ago
        > Who trump hasn’t insulted? billionaires[0] and saudis? Did Trump insult white men? You see Democrats say white men are the problem all the time, I never see Trump or his supporters say that.
immibis 2y ago
It's not name calling, it's descriptive and neutral.
cglace 2y ago
If you support and vote for a fascist you are a fascist.
_yb2s 2y ago
I don’t see it as name calling, the word Fascist plainly and accurately describes their positions and strategies. If they sincerely believe this is what is best, why would they see it as an insult rather than a compliment? It is true that Americans are pretty proud of winning WWII, and label that as defeating fascism… but it is plainly obvious that this current political movement aims to implement exactly what we were fighting to prevent back then. I think this is the main reason it is seen as an insult- people that language implies betrayal of what a lot of Americans died fighting for.

486sx33 2y ago

Wow, I knew the comments would be bad. But this is the point where I literally said wow aloud.

immibis 2y ago
Did he say something incorrect?

prepend 2y ago

> literally I do not think you know what this word means.

monstertank 2y ago

I like how you seem to think no atheists voted for Trump

leptons 2y ago
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dang 2y ago

Can you please not break the site guidelines like this? You've been doing it a lot in this thread, as well as in other unrelated threads, and we've had to ask you this many times before. If you wouldn't mind reviewing https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html and taking the intended spirit of the site more to heart, we'd be grateful. (We detached this subthread from https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=42059721 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=42059721.)