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Someone democratically elected can still end democratic processes.
by fidrelity 2y ago
Someone democratically elected can still end democratic processes.
- aydyn 2y ago[flagged]
- mattgperry 2y agoBut it isn't wrong, is it? Democracy elected Hitler, Hitler ended democracy in Germany. I'm not saying that is going to happen here, but your flippant comeback to a valid point is not a rebuttal.
- aydyn 2y ago[flagged]
- eterps 2y agoHuh?? But how is he wrong?
- jmdots 2y agoEdited: nevermind.
- Dalewyn 2y agoRead about Godwin's Law here: https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/GodwinsLaw https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/GodwinsLaw In a nutshell, you automatically lose any argument if you have to invoke Hitler or the Nazis.
- aydyn 2y agoseems like liberals collectively forgot about it
- bagels 2y agoGuy said he'd be dictator on day one and that sometimes it's okay to suspend the constitution. Some of us are concerned about what things he said might be true.
- HeatrayEnjoyer 2y ago"When people tell you who they are, believe them."
- aydyn 2y agoFact check: False. It was clearly a joke, as in taking the first day of office to clean up the perceived mistakes of his predecessor. Do you know any dictators who only planned to rule for one day? And also, are you still confused why Americans wholeheartedly rejected this BS?
- bagels 2y agoHow are you so confident that it is a joke? I'm not that confused about why people give him a pass on stuff like this, but that doesn't mean I like it.
- lobsterthief 2y agoThis guy isn’t interested in having a real conversation with you btw
- aydyn 2y agoYou could try better arguments?
- lobsterthief 2y agoI wasn’t even talking with you, just observing your comments with others
- Tainnor 2y agoI wish people didn't use the Hitler comparison because it always derails discussion (almost everyone is better than Hitler, even Trump). There are however enough other cases throughout history of people being elected and then becoming dictators.
- eterps 2y agoInteresting point. Actually there are more interesting parallels to be found between Trump and Mussolini: - Both displayed arrogant ignorance and avoided in-depth conversations - Shared a tendency to appear knowledgeable rather than actually being knowledgeable - Demonstrated hostility toward the press - Appointed family members to high government positions - Exhibiting thin-skinned reactions to criticism - Showing contempt for experts and professionals - Took credit for successes while blaming others for failures - Working with existing nationalist movements - Attacking democratic institutions as "enemies of the people" But I don't think that would not derail the discussion. Pretty much any comparison with a dictator leads to painful discussion. The question is, how would it even be possible to address this in a constructive way. I honestly don't know.
- Tainnor 2y ago> But I don't think that would not derail the discussion. Pretty much any comparison with a dictator leads to painful discussion. Yes, but when the dictator is also someone who orchestrated the holocaust, the discussion becomes all about how Trump doesn't literally hate Jews etc.
- epakai 2y agoIt is the exact right comparison though. Conservatives failed to maintain power on their ideals. The weak party clings to power, and propels a populist into power. He scapegoats immigrants, and liberal ideas for the general malaise. The only saving grace is that he is old, and not genocidal. People wouldn't be as familiar with the outcome if we were to discuss those other dictators. I'm certainly unaware of their parallels.