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Curious what you mean by benefitting directly from the economic status quo? Non-American here

DiscourseFan 2y ago
Just the way it is. Most of the "growth" in the last 4 years went to top-wage earners; the bottom (that is, the majority of people) did not see their wages grow faster than inflation. The US has a very particular class of highly educated professionals who live in very specific neighbourhoods that tend to be fairly closed off socially from the rest of society; they have all benefitted tremendously from the Biden/Harris presidency and are her strongest supporters. On the other hand, many Americans who never went to college or never got a Bachelor's at least make much less money on average and have seen food prices and rents skyrocket over the last four years and if they had any savings they've essentially evaporated. These two groups of people don't generally talk to each other.
- goosedragons 2y ago
  And those top-wage earners are college aged liberal women and not old rich conservative white dudes?
  - DiscourseFan 2y ago
    They're both? But the upper-middle class is far larger than the legitimate bourgeoisie, so they're class interests count for a lot more in politics.
  - bloqs 2y ago
    The old rich conservative dudes are the top brass and the incumbent but they often dont earn high wages, they exist outside the earning a living categories. Their income is gaining from their capital in ways that arent classed as income. The top of the upper middle classes are who he is talking about. The difference between the top middle classes and the bottom is larger than it has been for a while
  - EVa5I7bHFq9mnYK 2y ago
    College aged women often benefit financially from old rich dudes.
  - conradfr 2y ago
    Kind of? https://www.pewresearch.org/short-reads/2022/03/28/young-women-are-out-earning-young-men-in-several-u-s-cities/ https://www.pewresearch.org/short-reads/2022/03/28/young-wom...
- mavelikara 2y ago
  How did these respective groups fare in the 4 years prior?
goosedragons 2y ago
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- DiscourseFan 2y ago
  If that happens then the economy will collapse since a large amount of the growth in 20th century was due to integrating women into the work force. All I see from the Trump campaign is a policy so chock full of contradictions it won't lead to anything but a political explosion. And then they'll be an opportunity for some real change.
  - threeseed 2y ago
    If Musk runs the government the way he is running X, a political explosion is all but certain.
    - DiscourseFan 2y ago
      Excellent
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    - lobsterthief 2y ago
      Yeah, what he doesn’t understand is that the government bureaucracy that’s been created is the only reason many of the departments of government work as _quickly_ as they do. While we as engineers see what appear to be obvious slow inefficiencies (like: “I could build a system to replace all that the DMV does so people won’t need to sit in that waiting room!”) the reality is we don’t even understand all that the DMV does. I feel that’s the trap Musk falls into, and it became blatantly obvious when he took over X.
      - throwaway665345 2y ago
        Aside from liberals boycotting X for political reasons (a completely non-technical issue), technically the site seems to work perfectly fine even after Musk drastically reduced the bureaucracy behind it.
beeboobaa3 2y ago
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mike_hearn 2y ago
Roughly half of Gen Z men believe men face anti-male discrimination at the hands of feminists, and a quarter say they experienced it directly themselves. That's a huge number and the latter number can only go upwards by the nature of the question. The numbers are also rising very fast. The primary place they experience that discrimination is their workplace or university, i.e. places that affect their economic wellbeing. https://www.americansurveycenter.org/newsletter/why-young-men-are-turning-against-feminism/ https://www.americansurveycenter.org/newsletter/why-young-me... Nearly one in four Gen Z men say they have experienced discrimination or were subject to mistreatment simply because they were men, a rate far greater than older men. In 2019, less than one-third of young men reported that men experienced some or a lot of discrimination in American society. Only four years later, close to half (45 percent) of young men now believe men are facing gender-based discrimination. For some young men, feminism has morphed from a commitment to gender equality to an ideology aimed at punishing men. That leads to predictable results, like half of men agreeing with the statement, “These days society seems to punish men just for acting like men.”
- amarcheschi 2y ago
  I wonder what they perceive as "acting like man". I'm a 22yo guy and living in a sketchy area in italy I always have a friend who's a woman living near me that asks to walk her at home to feel more safe. That's something very manly indeed, and God if it's nice. Hell, one day I drove some burlesque performers home and when I saw one of them was scared I proposed to come at the door of her stay if she would have felt safer with me. That's again quite good for my perception of being a decent man, doing something that's tipically relegated to men. I wonder what discrimination they face day to day, whether it is phisical or online
  - Foreignborn 2y ago
    There are so many layers to your comment. Aren’t you now asking yourself, “who are they scared of?” Let the answer sink in.
    - amarcheschi 2y ago

Just the way it is. Most of the "growth" in the last 4 years went to top-wage earners; the bottom (that is, the majority of people) did not see their wages grow faster than inflation. The US has a very particular class of highly educated professionals who live in very specific neighbourhoods that tend to be fairly closed off socially from the rest of society; they have all benefitted tremendously from the Biden/Harris presidency and are her strongest supporters. On the other hand, many Americans who never went to college or never got a Bachelor's at least make much less money on average and have seen food prices and rents skyrocket over the last four years and if they had any savings they've essentially evaporated. These two groups of people don't generally talk to each other.

goosedragons 2y ago
And those top-wage earners are college aged liberal women and not old rich conservative white dudes?
- DiscourseFan 2y ago
  They're both? But the upper-middle class is far larger than the legitimate bourgeoisie, so they're class interests count for a lot more in politics.
- bloqs 2y ago
  The old rich conservative dudes are the top brass and the incumbent but they often dont earn high wages, they exist outside the earning a living categories. Their income is gaining from their capital in ways that arent classed as income. The top of the upper middle classes are who he is talking about. The difference between the top middle classes and the bottom is larger than it has been for a while
- EVa5I7bHFq9mnYK 2y ago
  College aged women often benefit financially from old rich dudes.
- conradfr 2y ago
  Kind of? https://www.pewresearch.org/short-reads/2022/03/28/young-women-are-out-earning-young-men-in-several-u-s-cities/ https://www.pewresearch.org/short-reads/2022/03/28/young-wom...
mavelikara 2y ago
How did these respective groups fare in the 4 years prior?

goosedragons 2y ago

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DiscourseFan 2y ago
If that happens then the economy will collapse since a large amount of the growth in 20th century was due to integrating women into the work force. All I see from the Trump campaign is a policy so chock full of contradictions it won't lead to anything but a political explosion. And then they'll be an opportunity for some real change.
- threeseed 2y ago
  If Musk runs the government the way he is running X, a political explosion is all but certain.
  - DiscourseFan 2y ago
    Excellent
    - deleted 2y ago
      [deleted]
  - lobsterthief 2y ago
    Yeah, what he doesn’t understand is that the government bureaucracy that’s been created is the only reason many of the departments of government work as _quickly_ as they do. While we as engineers see what appear to be obvious slow inefficiencies (like: “I could build a system to replace all that the DMV does so people won’t need to sit in that waiting room!”) the reality is we don’t even understand all that the DMV does. I feel that’s the trap Musk falls into, and it became blatantly obvious when he took over X.
    - throwaway665345 2y ago
      Aside from liberals boycotting X for political reasons (a completely non-technical issue), technically the site seems to work perfectly fine even after Musk drastically reduced the bureaucracy behind it.

beeboobaa3 2y ago

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mike_hearn 2y ago

Roughly half of Gen Z men believe men face anti-male discrimination at the hands of feminists, and a quarter say they experienced it directly themselves. That's a huge number and the latter number can only go upwards by the nature of the question. The numbers are also rising very fast. The primary place they experience that discrimination is their workplace or university, i.e. places that affect their economic wellbeing. https://www.americansurveycenter.org/newsletter/why-young-men-are-turning-against-feminism/ https://www.americansurveycenter.org/newsletter/why-young-me... Nearly one in four Gen Z men say they have experienced discrimination or were subject to mistreatment simply because they were men, a rate far greater than older men. In 2019, less than one-third of young men reported that men experienced some or a lot of discrimination in American society. Only four years later, close to half (45 percent) of young men now believe men are facing gender-based discrimination. For some young men, feminism has morphed from a commitment to gender equality to an ideology aimed at punishing men. That leads to predictable results, like half of men agreeing with the statement, “These days society seems to punish men just for acting like men.”

amarcheschi 2y ago
I wonder what they perceive as "acting like man". I'm a 22yo guy and living in a sketchy area in italy I always have a friend who's a woman living near me that asks to walk her at home to feel more safe. That's something very manly indeed, and God if it's nice. Hell, one day I drove some burlesque performers home and when I saw one of them was scared I proposed to come at the door of her stay if she would have felt safer with me. That's again quite good for my perception of being a decent man, doing something that's tipically relegated to men. I wonder what discrimination they face day to day, whether it is phisical or online
- Foreignborn 2y ago
  There are so many layers to your comment. Aren’t you now asking yourself, “who are they scared of?” Let the answer sink in.
  - amarcheschi 2y ago