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> Conservative counties quite literally cannot support themselves. And yet they hold democratic counties hostage. Somewhat like parasites.

card_zero 2y ago
It works the same way in other countries, such as the UK and Turkey - rural areas are where the traditionalists live.
- ruthmarx 2y ago
  It's much worse in the US though because the gap is so much wider. Even in the UK or Canada or Australia, the right is not opposing climate change or healthcare or anything reasonable to the same extent as in the US.
  - mrkeen 2y ago
    The last time the right got voted in in Australia, they revoked the carbon tax that the left had recently set up. https://www.theguardian.com/environment/southern-crossroads/2013/sep/18/tony-abbott-abolish-carbon-price https://www.theguardian.com/environment/southern-crossroads/...
  - cmrdporcupine 2y ago
    They absolutely are here in Canada. Especially around climate change because Canada is an oil exporter. And they will be emboldened by what just happened in the US. Alberta outright banned renewables development for 6 months and then slapped a huge set of restrictions on them after that "moratorium" was lifted. A tax on electric car owners added. The conservative parties nationally are on a constant drum beat about the national carbon tax and it's doomed. Weak emissions caps we have are also doomed. Any little things that have been done for the last 10 years will be undone. At a recent party convention in Alberta, the ruling party passed a climate denial resolution as official party policy. Amazingly lots of people on this forum trying to sanitize what these people are about.
  - smnrchrds 2y ago
    Meanwhile the governing party in my home province in Canada is doing this: https://thetyee.ca/Opinion/2024/11/06/UCP-Members-More-CO2-Help-Plants/ https://thetyee.ca/Opinion/2024/11/06/UCP-Members-More-CO2-H...
    - ruthmarx 2y ago
      How on earth does anyone think that is a good idea? Sigh. It's always a minority of humanity that has to save the rest from themselves, as they kick and scream and resist every step of the way.
DeathArrow 2y ago
Conservative counties produce goods and food. Democratic counties produce rent, interest, financial fees, mortgages, insurance.
- ruthmarx 2y ago
  Conservative counties produce goods and food that can be produced anywhere. Democratic counties produce goods that generally require an education and are significantly more valuable. Think big tech, big pharma, engineering, etc. Democratic counties would be just fine without conservative counties. The inverse is not true.
  - CapricornNoble 2y ago
    I think you are ignoring the lag time inherent in radically shifting international food supply chains, even if you have the money to pay almost any price for goods. If Conservative counties stopped sending food to Democratic counties, the Democratic counties would collapse into chaos LONG before they are able to secure alternative food supplies. It's a Hell of a lot easier to go 90 days without "Big Tech & Big Pharma" than it is to go 90 days without grains and chicken from flyover country.
    - ruthmarx 2y ago
      Blue states have farms as well, it's just not the primary industry. I'm certain blue states would have enough food to last until they could negotiate to trade with other blue states or international partners.
      - CapricornNoble 2y ago
        You seem to have missed the salient points: 1. The Blue States having their farming largely in Red Counties. 2. The Blue Counties, aka the cities, do NOT have enough food to last until they can negotiate. New York City has a ~5-day food supply: ( https://www.nyc.gov/assets/foodpolicy/downloads/pdf/2016_food_supply_resiliency_study_results.pdf https://www.nyc.gov/assets/foodpolicy/downloads/pdf/2016_foo... ). In 2017, 20% of New Orleans was considered food insecure: ( https://icic.org/wp-content/uploads/2017/01/ROCK_Resilient_Food_f2.pdf https://icic.org/wp-content/uploads/2017/01/ROCK_Resilient_F... ) Let's just assume you can secure beef and other foodstuffs, from, say Argentina, on DAY ONE of a Red-County food blockade. A ship from Buenos Ares to Los Angeles takes 20+ days. So even if you acted immediately foodstuffs would arrive in LA two weeks after the supermarkets would be empty.

card_zero 2y ago

It works the same way in other countries, such as the UK and Turkey - rural areas are where the traditionalists live.

ruthmarx 2y ago
It's much worse in the US though because the gap is so much wider. Even in the UK or Canada or Australia, the right is not opposing climate change or healthcare or anything reasonable to the same extent as in the US.
- mrkeen 2y ago
  The last time the right got voted in in Australia, they revoked the carbon tax that the left had recently set up. https://www.theguardian.com/environment/southern-crossroads/2013/sep/18/tony-abbott-abolish-carbon-price https://www.theguardian.com/environment/southern-crossroads/...
- cmrdporcupine 2y ago
  They absolutely are here in Canada. Especially around climate change because Canada is an oil exporter. And they will be emboldened by what just happened in the US. Alberta outright banned renewables development for 6 months and then slapped a huge set of restrictions on them after that "moratorium" was lifted. A tax on electric car owners added. The conservative parties nationally are on a constant drum beat about the national carbon tax and it's doomed. Weak emissions caps we have are also doomed. Any little things that have been done for the last 10 years will be undone. At a recent party convention in Alberta, the ruling party passed a climate denial resolution as official party policy. Amazingly lots of people on this forum trying to sanitize what these people are about.
- smnrchrds 2y ago
  Meanwhile the governing party in my home province in Canada is doing this: https://thetyee.ca/Opinion/2024/11/06/UCP-Members-More-CO2-Help-Plants/ https://thetyee.ca/Opinion/2024/11/06/UCP-Members-More-CO2-H...
  - ruthmarx 2y ago
    How on earth does anyone think that is a good idea? Sigh. It's always a minority of humanity that has to save the rest from themselves, as they kick and scream and resist every step of the way.

DeathArrow 2y ago

Conservative counties produce goods and food. Democratic counties produce rent, interest, financial fees, mortgages, insurance.

ruthmarx 2y ago
Conservative counties produce goods and food that can be produced anywhere. Democratic counties produce goods that generally require an education and are significantly more valuable. Think big tech, big pharma, engineering, etc. Democratic counties would be just fine without conservative counties. The inverse is not true.
- CapricornNoble 2y ago
  I think you are ignoring the lag time inherent in radically shifting international food supply chains, even if you have the money to pay almost any price for goods. If Conservative counties stopped sending food to Democratic counties, the Democratic counties would collapse into chaos LONG before they are able to secure alternative food supplies. It's a Hell of a lot easier to go 90 days without "Big Tech & Big Pharma" than it is to go 90 days without grains and chicken from flyover country.
  - ruthmarx 2y ago
    Blue states have farms as well, it's just not the primary industry. I'm certain blue states would have enough food to last until they could negotiate to trade with other blue states or international partners.
    - CapricornNoble 2y ago
      You seem to have missed the salient points: 1. The Blue States having their farming largely in Red Counties. 2. The Blue Counties, aka the cities, do NOT have enough food to last until they can negotiate. New York City has a ~5-day food supply: ( https://www.nyc.gov/assets/foodpolicy/downloads/pdf/2016_food_supply_resiliency_study_results.pdf https://www.nyc.gov/assets/foodpolicy/downloads/pdf/2016_foo... ). In 2017, 20% of New Orleans was considered food insecure: ( https://icic.org/wp-content/uploads/2017/01/ROCK_Resilient_Food_f2.pdf https://icic.org/wp-content/uploads/2017/01/ROCK_Resilient_F... ) Let's just assume you can secure beef and other foodstuffs, from, say Argentina, on DAY ONE of a Red-County food blockade. A ship from Buenos Ares to Los Angeles takes 20+ days. So even if you acted immediately foodstuffs would arrive in LA two weeks after the supermarkets would be empty.