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In particular, I believe the economic rhetoric Trump used worked very well with many lower income people. I don't remember Harris taking any strong stances ther

In particular, I believe the economic rhetoric Trump used worked very well with many lower income people. I don't remember Harris taking any strong stances there, or maybe what she had I store was not communicated well.

bruxis 2y ago
I think this is accurate, a big chunk of the vote seems to be "my bills/food/rent went up when Blue in office, Red says they _will_ fix it, so let's try Red" Of course not statistical, but seems to be a large trend in discussion
- iainmerrick 2y ago
  Yeah, I think that's it, or at least a large part of it. People were unhappy and when you're unhappy you vote out the incumbent (and in a two-party system there's only one other choice). I also think that's the same reason the exact same guy was voted out four years ago. Pretty bizarre if true, so it's probably not the whole story.
gebruikersnaam 2y ago
Harris promised raising the minimum wage and down payment support for first-time buyers. Americans (with the help of the media) are just plain stupid and vote against their own interests.
- mrkeen 2y ago
  Promises from an incumbent can hit differently. If Democrats were willing and able, they should have done it in the last 4 years. If not, then why promise?
  - gebruikersnaam 2y ago
    The Biden administration did a lot of student debt relief. But in the end that doesn't matter is the media isn't willing to talk about that. And people keep listening to those media. Remember age didn't matter anymore once Biden dropped out? If the NYT hammered Trump the same way they did Biden, the outcome would be different.
- karmakurtisaani 2y ago
  I have no doubt Harris would have delivered on improving the conditions for the poor. Unfortunately Trumps rhetoric was simply too effective, perhaps because of what you say in the second sentence.
selfmodruntime 2y ago
Harris had no strong stances. At all. Her only one was "I'm not Trump". Which is kind of a loosing strategy when people seem to like him.
- slater 2y ago
  *losing
Cthulhu_ 2y ago
This is the challenge that the Democrats have; the Republicans have a policy that appeals to a significant enough percentage of the population, while the Democrats have to try and appeal to "everyone else". A two-party system is not a democracy, it's a compromise, and only a political revolution will fix it. Of course, that's also what the Republicans / Heritage Foundation are aiming for, if they have their way they will do away with democracy. Which isn't exactly what I was thinking of.

bruxis 2y ago

I think this is accurate, a big chunk of the vote seems to be "my bills/food/rent went up when Blue in office, Red says they _will_ fix it, so let's try Red" Of course not statistical, but seems to be a large trend in discussion

iainmerrick 2y ago
Yeah, I think that's it, or at least a large part of it. People were unhappy and when you're unhappy you vote out the incumbent (and in a two-party system there's only one other choice). I also think that's the same reason the exact same guy was voted out four years ago. Pretty bizarre if true, so it's probably not the whole story.

gebruikersnaam 2y ago

Harris promised raising the minimum wage and down payment support for first-time buyers. Americans (with the help of the media) are just plain stupid and vote against their own interests.

mrkeen 2y ago
Promises from an incumbent can hit differently. If Democrats were willing and able, they should have done it in the last 4 years. If not, then why promise?
- gebruikersnaam 2y ago
  The Biden administration did a lot of student debt relief. But in the end that doesn't matter is the media isn't willing to talk about that. And people keep listening to those media. Remember age didn't matter anymore once Biden dropped out? If the NYT hammered Trump the same way they did Biden, the outcome would be different.
karmakurtisaani 2y ago
I have no doubt Harris would have delivered on improving the conditions for the poor. Unfortunately Trumps rhetoric was simply too effective, perhaps because of what you say in the second sentence.

selfmodruntime 2y ago

Harris had no strong stances. At all. Her only one was "I'm not Trump". Which is kind of a loosing strategy when people seem to like him.

slater 2y ago
*losing

Cthulhu_ 2y ago

This is the challenge that the Democrats have; the Republicans have a policy that appeals to a significant enough percentage of the population, while the Democrats have to try and appeal to "everyone else". A two-party system is not a democracy, it's a compromise, and only a political revolution will fix it. Of course, that's also what the Republicans / Heritage Foundation are aiming for, if they have their way they will do away with democracy. Which isn't exactly what I was thinking of.