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I find it hilarious when people say democrats are "idealogy-centered government" [sic], but Trump isn't. What do those words mean to you? Are you saying that Tr

by x3ro 2y ago

I find it hilarious when people say democrats are "idealogy-centered government" [sic], but Trump isn't. What do those words mean to you? Are you saying that Trump has no ideology?..

chaos_emergent 2y ago
As someone who voted for Harris, I’d say trump is less ideologically driven than democratic candidates. He’s insane and erratic, which don’t follow ideology.
- amarcheschi 2y ago
  Oh, he definitely has an ideology if you've ever read about project 2025
  - selfmodruntime 2y ago
    But he doesn't openly argue for that. And that's all politics is. Optics.
    - amarcheschi 2y ago
      Then Idk, he openly says that government agencies should have less power (epa, fda...). I mean, he doesn't sponsor this view, but he openly said he'll make musk give less and less agency to gov. Companies that aren't deemed worth of it, whatever it means
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zmgsabst 2y ago
Generally, they mean promoting DIE rather than merit and national interest.
- jyounker 2y ago
  Which of course actually means nothing. Being against DEI is just a coded way of saying, "we don't want to compete with women and non-white people".
  - medvezhenok 2y ago
    Bullshit. It’s framed as an equality movement whereas it takes as an axiom that society is built on systemic oppression - that’s the unquestionable tenet. And then the prescription is using governments power to impose “preferred” outcomes, no matter the cost. Thanks, but no thanks - I prefer to live in a meritocracy. Also my personal pet peeve - having a cultural preference is not racism, god damn it! Not all cultures are the same, and we should be allowed to state and fight for our preferences! (Unlike discriminating on the basis of physical appearance or features, which is actual racism). The fact that America equates the two is asinine to me (as an immigrant)
    - crabmusket 2y ago
      > whereas it takes as an axiom that society is built on systemic oppression - that’s the unquestionable tenet You didn't say, but I think strongly implied, this is untrue. Why do you think so?
lelanthran 2y ago
> Are you saying that Trump has no ideology?.. Well, maybe he has, but he aligns his campaign to match the voters' will instead of trying to change the will of the voters' to match his campaign. Dems: "Listen up: these are the issues that are important to you." Trump: "That's important to you? Well, in that case it's important to me too!" You can't expect to win if you are out of touch with what the voters want.
- melodyogonna 2y ago
  I think this is it. Trump knows how to repeat what people say to themselves
dartharva 2y ago
> Are you saying that Trump has no ideology?.. It.. unironically seems so? Not long ago Trump used to be a Democrat. He has often backtracked and tweaked his public ideology to whatever gets the most populist support, e.g. Abortions.

by x3ro 2y ago

I find it hilarious when people say democrats are "idealogy-centered government" [sic], but Trump isn't. What do those words mean to you? Are you saying that Trump has no ideology?..

chaos_emergent 2y ago

As someone who voted for Harris, I’d say trump is less ideologically driven than democratic candidates. He’s insane and erratic, which don’t follow ideology.

amarcheschi 2y ago
Oh, he definitely has an ideology if you've ever read about project 2025
- selfmodruntime 2y ago
  But he doesn't openly argue for that. And that's all politics is. Optics.
  - amarcheschi 2y ago
    Then Idk, he openly says that government agencies should have less power (epa, fda...). I mean, he doesn't sponsor this view, but he openly said he'll make musk give less and less agency to gov. Companies that aren't deemed worth of it, whatever it means
- deleted 2y ago
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zmgsabst 2y ago

Generally, they mean promoting DIE rather than merit and national interest.

jyounker 2y ago
Which of course actually means nothing. Being against DEI is just a coded way of saying, "we don't want to compete with women and non-white people".
- medvezhenok 2y ago
  Bullshit. It’s framed as an equality movement whereas it takes as an axiom that society is built on systemic oppression - that’s the unquestionable tenet. And then the prescription is using governments power to impose “preferred” outcomes, no matter the cost. Thanks, but no thanks - I prefer to live in a meritocracy. Also my personal pet peeve - having a cultural preference is not racism, god damn it! Not all cultures are the same, and we should be allowed to state and fight for our preferences! (Unlike discriminating on the basis of physical appearance or features, which is actual racism). The fact that America equates the two is asinine to me (as an immigrant)
  - crabmusket 2y ago
    > whereas it takes as an axiom that society is built on systemic oppression - that’s the unquestionable tenet You didn't say, but I think strongly implied, this is untrue. Why do you think so?

lelanthran 2y ago

> Are you saying that Trump has no ideology?.. Well, maybe he has, but he aligns his campaign to match the voters' will instead of trying to change the will of the voters' to match his campaign. Dems: "Listen up: these are the issues that are important to you." Trump: "That's important to you? Well, in that case it's important to me too!" You can't expect to win if you are out of touch with what the voters want.

melodyogonna 2y ago
I think this is it. Trump knows how to repeat what people say to themselves

dartharva 2y ago

> Are you saying that Trump has no ideology?.. It.. unironically seems so? Not long ago Trump used to be a Democrat. He has often backtracked and tweaked his public ideology to whatever gets the most populist support, e.g. Abortions.