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After seeing this guy become elected for the second time I have come to the opposite conclusion. This is what America wants, and this is what America is. The re

After seeing this guy become elected for the second time I have come to the opposite conclusion. This is what America wants, and this is what America is. The rest of the world should acknowledge this and act accordingly, and the people of the US, especially the Democrats, should as well. Pretending like "this isn't us", "this isnt real america" is just keeping them from doing any real introspection.

ravroid 2y ago
Important to note that it's not what all of us Americans want, it's just what a little over half of the voting population voted for.
- tomrod 2y ago
  Half the voting population who chose to vote voted for.
- dartharva 2y ago
  "A little over half of the voting population" is literally all that matters here! The levels of cope here are astounding.
  - justin66 2y ago
    > all that matters! Some perspective is called for.
  - josephg 2y ago
    It’s all that matters in the presidential race. But barely over half of the population wanted him as president. The other side doesn’t disappear just because they lost an election.
    - dennis_jeeves2 2y ago
      Talk about really problems with 'democracy' where 51% decides decides to thrust their views on the rest 49% . The concept is fundamentally flawed.
  - LunaSea 2y ago
    Well in 2020 it apparently didn't matter so you should try and stay consistent.
TrackerFF 2y ago
This is what rural USA wants.
- trynumber9 2y ago
  What makes rural America so numerous?
  - truckerbill 2y ago
    electoral college
  - ptman 2y ago
    It's not that it's numerous (it's not). It's that they have a lot weight because of how the electoral college works.
    - iainmerrick 2y ago
      I think you’re confusing the electoral college with the Senate. There are two senators per state regardless of population, so low-population rural states have an outsized influence in the Senate. In the electoral college, each state is weighted by population. It’s unavoidably biased (just by the nature of chunking votes into seats and states) but it doesn’t consistently favor either side.
      - geoffpado 2y ago
        Each state gets a number of electors equal to their Congressional delegation: Representatives *and* Senators. So the overweighting of small states in the Senate does, to a smaller degree, affect the Electoral College as well (as every state gets two "free" electors).
        iainmerrick 2y ago
        Good point! I overlooked that. On the other hand, the larger states having large bloc votes plays in their favor.
karmakurtisaani 2y ago
In particular, I believe the economic rhetoric Trump used worked very well with many lower income people. I don't remember Harris taking any strong stances there, or maybe what she had I store was not communicated well.
- bruxis 2y ago
  I think this is accurate, a big chunk of the vote seems to be "my bills/food/rent went up when Blue in office, Red says they _will_ fix it, so let's try Red" Of course not statistical, but seems to be a large trend in discussion
  - iainmerrick 2y ago
    Yeah, I think that's it, or at least a large part of it. People were unhappy and when you're unhappy you vote out the incumbent (and in a two-party system there's only one other choice). I also think that's the same reason the exact same guy was voted out four years ago. Pretty bizarre if true, so it's probably not the whole story.
- gebruikersnaam 2y ago
  Harris promised raising the minimum wage and down payment support for first-time buyers. Americans (with the help of the media) are just plain stupid and vote against their own interests.
  - mrkeen 2y ago
    Promises from an incumbent can hit differently. If Democrats were willing and able, they should have done it in the last 4 years. If not, then why promise?
    - gebruikersnaam 2y ago
      The Biden administration did a lot of student debt relief. But in the end that doesn't matter is the media isn't willing to talk about that. And people keep listening to those media. Remember age didn't matter anymore once Biden dropped out? If the NYT hammered Trump the same way they did Biden, the outcome would be different.
adamors 2y ago
No, urban areas voted Democrat once again. If anything, 2024 has really showed the widening divide between urban and rural areas, both in the US and in Europe. Probably everywhere else as well.
- agent86 2y ago
  While it is true that democrats carried urban centers it is worth noting that their support appears to have eroded somewhat in these areas. Republicans picked up a statistically relevant number of votes there.
  - ziml77 2y ago
    If I were a betting man I'd wager that switches like that are purely due to inflation. Shit's too expensive and people think that changing the party they vote into the seat of the presidency is going to change that.
    - e40 2y ago
      Which is incredibly stupid given Elon just said in the last month that Trump’s policies would cause inflation.
black_13 2y ago
That us how i feel as well the US will finally get what it deserves.
LeChuck 2y ago
See also this article from 2004: http://exiledonline.com/we-the-spiteful/ http://exiledonline.com/we-the-spiteful/ >The left won’t accept this awful truth about the American soul, a beast that they believe they can fix “if only the people knew the Truth.” >But what if the Truth is that Americans don’t want to know the Truth? What if Americans consciously choose lies over truth when given the chance–and not even very interesting lies, but rather the blandest, dumbest and meanest lies? What if Americans are not a likeable people? The left’s wires short-circuit when confronted with this terrible possibility; the right, on the other hand, warmly embraces Middle America’s rank soul and exploits it to their full advantage. The Republicans know Americans better than the left. They know that it’s not so much Goering’s famous “bigger lie” that works here, but the dumber and meaner the lie, the more the public wants to hear it repeated.
- Maken 2y ago
  This is quite bleak.
- ziml77 2y ago
  Holy cow, 20 years later and it's all still accurate. You could swap some names and post it today.
johndunne 2y ago
I'm in the UK and I was just listening to Andrew Neil, a political commentator over here, and he mentioned something interesting. There was apparently a 3 to 2 ratio of Hispanic/Black voters voting FOR Trump. A possible explanation is that the border policies have had an impact on minimum wage workers, of which Hispanic and Black voters are disproportionately a category of. The Democratic Party will have to do a post mortem, but there's likely to be many issues found where the Democrats failed their voters.

ravroid 2y ago

Important to note that it's not what all of us Americans want, it's just what a little over half of the voting population voted for.

tomrod 2y ago
Half the voting population who chose to vote voted for.
dartharva 2y ago
"A little over half of the voting population" is literally all that matters here! The levels of cope here are astounding.
- justin66 2y ago
  > all that matters! Some perspective is called for.
- josephg 2y ago
  It’s all that matters in the presidential race. But barely over half of the population wanted him as president. The other side doesn’t disappear just because they lost an election.
  - dennis_jeeves2 2y ago
    Talk about really problems with 'democracy' where 51% decides decides to thrust their views on the rest 49% . The concept is fundamentally flawed.
- LunaSea 2y ago
  Well in 2020 it apparently didn't matter so you should try and stay consistent.

TrackerFF 2y ago

This is what rural USA wants.

trynumber9 2y ago
What makes rural America so numerous?
- truckerbill 2y ago
  electoral college
- ptman 2y ago
  It's not that it's numerous (it's not). It's that they have a lot weight because of how the electoral college works.
  - iainmerrick 2y ago
    I think you’re confusing the electoral college with the Senate. There are two senators per state regardless of population, so low-population rural states have an outsized influence in the Senate. In the electoral college, each state is weighted by population. It’s unavoidably biased (just by the nature of chunking votes into seats and states) but it doesn’t consistently favor either side.
    - geoffpado 2y ago
      Each state gets a number of electors equal to their Congressional delegation: Representatives *and* Senators. So the overweighting of small states in the Senate does, to a smaller degree, affect the Electoral College as well (as every state gets two "free" electors).
      - iainmerrick 2y ago
        Good point! I overlooked that. On the other hand, the larger states having large bloc votes plays in their favor.

karmakurtisaani 2y ago

In particular, I believe the economic rhetoric Trump used worked very well with many lower income people. I don't remember Harris taking any strong stances there, or maybe what she had I store was not communicated well.

bruxis 2y ago
I think this is accurate, a big chunk of the vote seems to be "my bills/food/rent went up when Blue in office, Red says they _will_ fix it, so let's try Red" Of course not statistical, but seems to be a large trend in discussion
- iainmerrick 2y ago
  Yeah, I think that's it, or at least a large part of it. People were unhappy and when you're unhappy you vote out the incumbent (and in a two-party system there's only one other choice). I also think that's the same reason the exact same guy was voted out four years ago. Pretty bizarre if true, so it's probably not the whole story.
gebruikersnaam 2y ago
Harris promised raising the minimum wage and down payment support for first-time buyers. Americans (with the help of the media) are just plain stupid and vote against their own interests.
- mrkeen 2y ago
  Promises from an incumbent can hit differently. If Democrats were willing and able, they should have done it in the last 4 years. If not, then why promise?
  - gebruikersnaam 2y ago
    The Biden administration did a lot of student debt relief. But in the end that doesn't matter is the media isn't willing to talk about that. And people keep listening to those media. Remember age didn't matter anymore once Biden dropped out? If the NYT hammered Trump the same way they did Biden, the outcome would be different.

adamors 2y ago

No, urban areas voted Democrat once again. If anything, 2024 has really showed the widening divide between urban and rural areas, both in the US and in Europe. Probably everywhere else as well.

agent86 2y ago
While it is true that democrats carried urban centers it is worth noting that their support appears to have eroded somewhat in these areas. Republicans picked up a statistically relevant number of votes there.
- ziml77 2y ago
  If I were a betting man I'd wager that switches like that are purely due to inflation. Shit's too expensive and people think that changing the party they vote into the seat of the presidency is going to change that.
  - e40 2y ago
    Which is incredibly stupid given Elon just said in the last month that Trump’s policies would cause inflation.

black_13 2y ago

That us how i feel as well the US will finally get what it deserves.

LeChuck 2y ago

See also this article from 2004: http://exiledonline.com/we-the-spiteful/ http://exiledonline.com/we-the-spiteful/ >The left won’t accept this awful truth about the American soul, a beast that they believe they can fix “if only the people knew the Truth.” >But what if the Truth is that Americans don’t want to know the Truth? What if Americans consciously choose lies over truth when given the chance–and not even very interesting lies, but rather the blandest, dumbest and meanest lies? What if Americans are not a likeable people? The left’s wires short-circuit when confronted with this terrible possibility; the right, on the other hand, warmly embraces Middle America’s rank soul and exploits it to their full advantage. The Republicans know Americans better than the left. They know that it’s not so much Goering’s famous “bigger lie” that works here, but the dumber and meaner the lie, the more the public wants to hear it repeated.

Maken 2y ago
This is quite bleak.
ziml77 2y ago
Holy cow, 20 years later and it's all still accurate. You could swap some names and post it today.

johndunne 2y ago

I'm in the UK and I was just listening to Andrew Neil, a political commentator over here, and he mentioned something interesting. There was apparently a 3 to 2 ratio of Hispanic/Black voters voting FOR Trump. A possible explanation is that the border policies have had an impact on minimum wage workers, of which Hispanic and Black voters are disproportionately a category of. The Democratic Party will have to do a post mortem, but there's likely to be many issues found where the Democrats failed their voters.