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Not a Trump voter so can't say exactly why they vote for him, but my guess would be the rather toxic race/sexism obsessed narrative the far left pushes. Every a

Not a Trump voter so can't say exactly why they vote for him, but my guess would be the rather toxic race/sexism obsessed narrative the far left pushes. Every article nowadays rambles on about it, ever book/tv show also, it is tiresome and self defeating. Also so much negativity directed at males, especially white ones. The trans stuff is also a factor I'd guess, even as someone who voted for Harris I don't care for this level of anti science belief that a guy is now a women just because they say so. Harris didn't really push this narrative as far as I can tell, but unfortunately some of her supporters do(and the media outlets they run). Or perhaps the Trump voters actually believe he can somehow lower grocery store costs, though to me this seems like it would require some real mental gymnastics to believe, or deep ignorance.

cmrdporcupine 2y ago
There is no "far left" in the United States electoral system, get a grip.
- rightbyte 2y ago
  There is no left either. At least in any meaningful definition of the term. Maybe you could say there always is a 'more left' party. But that is not very usefull.
blashyrk 2y ago
On the right you mostly have "proper" religion, mainly Christianity (in the western world at least), while on the left you have the church of identity politics. Everyone seems to be laughing at centrists nowadays, ya know the "enlightened centrist" meme, but it's the only truly secular position today. The left remains stubborn in persecuting even an ounce of independent thought (or any thought that goes against the established dogma) on topics related to gender/race/identity and dismissing people with different opinions as "bigots". And then they wonder why people simply stop expressing their opinions loudly and opt to express them via voting instead. And then when the voting results come in, they double down: "I can't believe 50+% of the population is RACIST, SEXIST, BIGOTED, UNEDUCATED, STUPID!" It's a self-fulfilling prophecy, really.
pferde 2y ago
So you're saying "be nice to people different from you, otherwise you're a scum" is too unacceptable for half of the USA? Not anything to be proud of.
- moffkalast 2y ago
  I think "be nice" is already the unacceptable bit, you don't have to go any further.
- lordfrito 2y ago
  I can't tell if this comment is aimed at reds or blues... Both sides are guilty of not being nice to the otherside, and calling them scum. That seems to be the problem right now, we've stopped listening to each other.
  - kristjansson 2y ago
    In an attempt to try to listen: what I read from this in response to "be nice to people different from you, otherwise you're a scum": "I believe our differences are merely political , and that I should not suffer any opprobrium for my political positions. If I do suffer insults for my positions, that intolerance is problematic". I generally agree with your view that we should not be vilifying each other over political differences. The disconnect, I think, comes from one side asserting that all positions are merely political, and therefore up for debate, while the other feels that some positions are beyond reproach. An alternative of the above then becomes: "I believe acceptance/rejection of $OUTGROUP is a mere political difference, and that I should not suffer any opprobrium for my rejection of the outgroup, or my political support of platforms that include rejection of $OUTGROUP as an explicit or implicit plank. If I do suffer insults for my position, it's that intolerance that's the problem, not my merely political views on $OUTGROUP". which feels less generous to write, but closer to how I read it. What would you like to say to someone listening?
audunw 2y ago
First I’ll just say that I do agree that the left has a big problem with negativity towards - or just simply ignoring - young men’s problems. I don’t believe in the solutions the right prescribes, but yeah, the left desperately needs to come up with its own productive solutions that young men can believe in. And a world view in which young men feel valued. It’s not “anti-science” to say gender is fundamentally non-binary. Yes, reproduction is very binary but you don’t stop being a man or woman if you become sterile. Biologically, gender is determined by a dozen of various factors during the child’s development. All of which can go wrong. Especially now that we are surrounded by so many hormone disrupting chemicals. How is it so hard for people to imagine even the possibility that the development of the brain can be affected towards a different gender than what your genes or genitalia indicate? Biology is not a perfect machine. Not even remotely. And is it so incredibly hard to acknowledge that it’s easier to fix the appearance of your genitalia and some letters on some paper, than trying to force your brain to rewire itself to a different gender than what every neuron and synapse of their brain has been wired for during development? If you actually spend a minute really listening to a transgender person it will become very clear that switching gender isn’t something they do just because it’s like.. you know.. kinda fun and exciting to be a different gender. No. Not at all. Tech people especially, should recognise that “binary” is an illusion. We say that bits are binary but anyone that has worked on chips or read about ECC understands that it’s not how physical bits actually behave. Biological gender is similar. Honestly, that so many people on all sides still don’t see this is a worrying sign of societies lack of empathy. We don’t want to spend even a little bit of time to understand other people. And yes, to circle back, for the left this means they should truly understand and speak to young men in the working class. Sure they have some nice words about supporting unions and such… but it’s not believable.
sanderjd 2y ago
This was in no way the narrative of this campaign. It's a stale talking point.
- mixmastamyk 2y ago
  People definitely remember this stuff. Folks here are talking about being forced to get vaccines to work, which was several years ago already. Stuck to Harris despite being smart enough to not spout it herself.
amadeuspagel 2y ago
Look, Trump supporters stormed the capitol. If we're going to hold people responsible for the actions of their supporters, let's start there.

cmrdporcupine 2y ago

There is no "far left" in the United States electoral system, get a grip.

rightbyte 2y ago
There is no left either. At least in any meaningful definition of the term. Maybe you could say there always is a 'more left' party. But that is not very usefull.

blashyrk 2y ago

On the right you mostly have "proper" religion, mainly Christianity (in the western world at least), while on the left you have the church of identity politics. Everyone seems to be laughing at centrists nowadays, ya know the "enlightened centrist" meme, but it's the only truly secular position today. The left remains stubborn in persecuting even an ounce of independent thought (or any thought that goes against the established dogma) on topics related to gender/race/identity and dismissing people with different opinions as "bigots". And then they wonder why people simply stop expressing their opinions loudly and opt to express them via voting instead. And then when the voting results come in, they double down: "I can't believe 50+% of the population is RACIST, SEXIST, BIGOTED, UNEDUCATED, STUPID!" It's a self-fulfilling prophecy, really.

pferde 2y ago

So you're saying "be nice to people different from you, otherwise you're a scum" is too unacceptable for half of the USA? Not anything to be proud of.

moffkalast 2y ago
I think "be nice" is already the unacceptable bit, you don't have to go any further.
lordfrito 2y ago
I can't tell if this comment is aimed at reds or blues... Both sides are guilty of not being nice to the otherside, and calling them scum. That seems to be the problem right now, we've stopped listening to each other.
- kristjansson 2y ago
  In an attempt to try to listen: what I read from this in response to "be nice to people different from you, otherwise you're a scum": "I believe our differences are merely political , and that I should not suffer any opprobrium for my political positions. If I do suffer insults for my positions, that intolerance is problematic". I generally agree with your view that we should not be vilifying each other over political differences. The disconnect, I think, comes from one side asserting that all positions are merely political, and therefore up for debate, while the other feels that some positions are beyond reproach. An alternative of the above then becomes: "I believe acceptance/rejection of $OUTGROUP is a mere political difference, and that I should not suffer any opprobrium for my rejection of the outgroup, or my political support of platforms that include rejection of $OUTGROUP as an explicit or implicit plank. If I do suffer insults for my position, it's that intolerance that's the problem, not my merely political views on $OUTGROUP". which feels less generous to write, but closer to how I read it. What would you like to say to someone listening?

audunw 2y ago

First I’ll just say that I do agree that the left has a big problem with negativity towards - or just simply ignoring - young men’s problems. I don’t believe in the solutions the right prescribes, but yeah, the left desperately needs to come up with its own productive solutions that young men can believe in. And a world view in which young men feel valued. It’s not “anti-science” to say gender is fundamentally non-binary. Yes, reproduction is very binary but you don’t stop being a man or woman if you become sterile. Biologically, gender is determined by a dozen of various factors during the child’s development. All of which can go wrong. Especially now that we are surrounded by so many hormone disrupting chemicals. How is it so hard for people to imagine even the possibility that the development of the brain can be affected towards a different gender than what your genes or genitalia indicate? Biology is not a perfect machine. Not even remotely. And is it so incredibly hard to acknowledge that it’s easier to fix the appearance of your genitalia and some letters on some paper, than trying to force your brain to rewire itself to a different gender than what every neuron and synapse of their brain has been wired for during development? If you actually spend a minute really listening to a transgender person it will become very clear that switching gender isn’t something they do just because it’s like.. you know.. kinda fun and exciting to be a different gender. No. Not at all. Tech people especially, should recognise that “binary” is an illusion. We say that bits are binary but anyone that has worked on chips or read about ECC understands that it’s not how physical bits actually behave. Biological gender is similar. Honestly, that so many people on all sides still don’t see this is a worrying sign of societies lack of empathy. We don’t want to spend even a little bit of time to understand other people. And yes, to circle back, for the left this means they should truly understand and speak to young men in the working class. Sure they have some nice words about supporting unions and such… but it’s not believable.

sanderjd 2y ago

This was in no way the narrative of this campaign. It's a stale talking point.

mixmastamyk 2y ago
People definitely remember this stuff. Folks here are talking about being forced to get vaccines to work, which was several years ago already. Stuck to Harris despite being smart enough to not spout it herself.

amadeuspagel 2y ago

Look, Trump supporters stormed the capitol. If we're going to hold people responsible for the actions of their supporters, let's start there.