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It's not immigrants. It's illegal immigrants. It was very clear from the beginning that this is what will kill the democrats chances. When you have poor people

It's not immigrants. It's illegal immigrants. It was very clear from the beginning that this is what will kill the democrats chances. When you have poor people that have lived in this country since birth not be able to get help from the government because the government services in their community are over ran due to the influx of people. Who do you think they are going to vote for? Why do you think the Republicans had an historic election with minority voters? All they had to do was actually do anything about the tens of millions of immigrants coming over the board, but they ignored it and Trump used it against them. The Democrat party is ran by a bunch of idiots. Hopefully this is a wake up call for them to get with the real world on issues. Calling someone Hitler when they clearly aren't is also not going to help people support you especially AFTER he was president before and they experienced a presidency under him lol.

bagels 2y ago
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- roenxi 2y ago
  > ...are poisoning the blood of this country Isn't that Nazi rhetoric? "Blood of the country" seems like exactly the sort of thing the Nazis would have been focused on. Are you going for irony?
  - bagels 2y ago
    Yes. They're poisoning the blood of our country,” Trump told the crowd at a rally in New Hampshire. "All great cultures of the past perished only because the originally creative race died out from blood poisoning," Hitler wrote.
    - b112 2y ago
      Devil's advocate.. if Hilter once remarked that broccoli is good for you, would people throw that back at someone saying the same?
      - mandmandam 2y ago
        If Hitler then used that line to try and justify murdering millions of brussels sprout eaters, then yes. Otherwise you've missed the point by an almost impressive margin.
      - deleted 2y ago
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      - Symbiote 2y ago
        Hitler was vegetarian back when that was very unusual, and post-war the vegetarian movement in the UK was set back significantly as a result.
  - CubsFan1060 2y ago
    https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/2024-election/trump-says-immigrants-are-poisoning-blood-country-biden-campaign-liken-rcna130141 https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/2024-election/trump-says-im...
  - creato 2y ago
    > Are you going for irony? Obviously yes: https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/2024-election/trump-says-immigrants-are-poisoning-blood-country-biden-campaign-liken-rcna130141 https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/2024-election/trump-says-im...
  - justin66 2y ago
    Congratulations on discovering the punchline.
- shakiXBT 2y ago
  Ignoring the issue and calling everyone nazi or fascist is precisely why the democrats lost today. Hey, at least you have 4 years to learn your lesson
  - bagels 2y ago
    Calling out people who invoke Nazi themes doesn't make them more Nazi, nor does giving them a pass make them less so.
- selfmodruntime 2y ago
  There is nothing inherently "Nazi" about being anti-illegal immigration. 30 years ago the left stood for a lot of anti immigration rhetoric.
  - bagels 2y ago
    Sure, but invoking Hitler's language while denigrating people from other countries is pretty Nazi though.
    - tzs 2y ago
      And when told that it sounded like something out of "Mein Kampf" Trump's response was that he had never read "Mein Kampf".
      - bagels 2y ago
        On the one hand, it's sort of believable that he would not engage with literature of any kind. On the other, he kept saying it after being informed that the phrase came from Hitler.
        tzs 2y ago
        Yeah, it is astounding. When any reasonable person says something that might seem close to something Hitler says and is told about it, their reaction is to figure out how to re-express what they said more clearly so that it cannot be mistaken for agreeing with Hitler. Trump's reaction apparently is to want to make sure you know he didn't steal the idea from Hitler.
saulrh 2y ago
"Tens of millions" "coming in over the border"? Mexico only even has 120m people in the first place. What, you think that half of their population walked into Texas and bought a house in Dallas?
- wordofx 2y ago
  It’s not /only/ Mexicans crossing the border…
- b112 2y ago
  Even I, a Canadian, know that immigrants from all the way down to South America are streaming across the US border.
- bertjk 2y ago
  > From 2014 to 2020, migrants from outside Mexico and Central America — known as “extra-continentals” — accounted for 19 percent of immigration court cases. > In the last four years, those “extra-continentals” have risen to 53 percent of all court cases. They have arrived from countries such as India, China, Colombia and Mauritania. https://www.washingtonpost.com/immigration/interactive/2024/us-immigration-where-migrants-live/ https://www.washingtonpost.com/immigration/interactive/2024/...
  - saulrh 2y ago
    Okay. Sure. Mexico only has 120m people. You think that a third of their population walked into Texas and bought a house in Dallas? A quarter? Hell, ten percent? Fine. I'll bring some of my own statistics. There might be ten million undocumented immigrants living in the United States total. There are fewer than half a million illegal border crossings a year; if the expected lifespan following an illegal border crossing is, I don't know, forty years, then it's obvious that the overwhelming majority of illegal border crossings don't convert to undocumented immigrants. These numbers are easily available on the relevant Wikipedia page: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Illegal_immigration_to_the_United_States https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Illegal_immigration_to_the_Uni..., which itself has extensive citations from a wide variety of sources. Saying that there are "tens of millions crossing the border" is clearly and blatantly incorrect. And, of course, that's not even getting into the real meat of the issue, that's just sarcastically calling out the surface-level lies. No, what I really want to say about illegal immigration is that undocumented immigrants commit fewer crimes than either documented immigrants or outright citizens, that they pay more taxes than they cost in government spending, that they do not affect job access or pay of legal residents, that they prevent offshoring, and that they contribute to GDP via spending and labor. Undocumented immigrants are, as far as I can tell, purely positive contributors to America at every level I look at, for the people working alongside them and going to school with them all the way up to the grandest statistics. If we truly wanted a healthy economy - if we wanted more citizens to have better jobs, if we wanted more money for education and healthcare, if we wanted less crime and less exploitation of labor - we would legalize all of them and invite more in after them.
benterix 2y ago
This has happened and is happening in Europe, too. Many people are coming in, some of them don't integrate and cause problems, the center says it's not a problem and the left says let's have more of them. More people are coming in, problems are getting worse (both real and imaginary), people are getting upset, the right realizes they can use that and they build their whole agenda or that and win the elections. The number of countries this has happened in increases, so non-right parties need to rethink their strategy if they want to stop losing.
- Maken 2y ago
  Europe is already rethinking it. Have you heard of Sahra Wagenknecht?
  - selfmodruntime 2y ago
    Europe is currently experiencing a hard shift to the right because progressives keep lying and downplaying bad economy policies and illegal immigration. Yet somehow each party has their own scapegoat.
- Symbiote 2y ago
  Europe is able to change political course much more gradually: the EU is 27 countries, and the EU Parliament is elected with proportional voting systems which leads to coalitions and compromise. A 10% increase in 'right' votes means roughly 10% more influence for the 'right' opinions. In the USA, a tiny increase in 'right' votes means 100% more influence.
Dalewyn 2y ago
>Calling someone Hitler when they clearly aren't is also not going to help people support you especially AFTER he was president before and they experienced a presidency under him lol. One bigly reason I voted for Trump was because his first term was by far the most peaceful both this country and the world at-large ever was in my lifetime. For four years we didn't start or join any new wars, we even flat out refused to when the military industrial complex begged to Trump to start one with Iran after they shot down one of our drones. North Korea didn't fire a single missile and China wasn't anywhere as loud with their saber-rattling (I'm Japanese-American, I care deeply about Japanese security). Russia didn't invade Ukraine. Israel and Hamas/Hezbollah/et al. weren't brutally killing each other. For four god damn years life was actually peaceful, and I want that again.
- dotancohen 2y ago
  Warring Middle East nations signed more peace treaties under Trump than in any other time in modern history. Israel signed four peace treaties with Arab Nations under Trump.
- korm 2y ago
  > North Korea didn't fire a single missile https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_North_Korean_missile_tests https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_North_Korean_missile... > Russia didn't invade Ukraine Russia invaded in 2014 and the conflict stabilized (but didn't stop) in 2015. In the meantime, the Syrian civil war was raging on. Similarly, if we ignore all the events in the prelude to WW2, the world was a very peaceful place. According to Hoover, Roosevelt was a threat to world peace, not Hitler. I'm not implying anything with the analogy, I'm only trying to illustrate that the world was not peaceful between 2016 and 2020, despite the president's efforts. Perhaps if we had gotten 2 consecutive terms, it might have provided more long term stability.
- girvo 2y ago
  Er, Russia was already in Ukraine.
PunchTornado 2y ago
if Biden will sign a decree to welcome everyone and every migrant would be legal, people still won't like it. people want to reduce immigration, legal or illegal.

bagels 2y ago

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roenxi 2y ago
> ...are poisoning the blood of this country Isn't that Nazi rhetoric? "Blood of the country" seems like exactly the sort of thing the Nazis would have been focused on. Are you going for irony?
- bagels 2y ago
  Yes. They're poisoning the blood of our country,” Trump told the crowd at a rally in New Hampshire. "All great cultures of the past perished only because the originally creative race died out from blood poisoning," Hitler wrote.
  - b112 2y ago
    Devil's advocate.. if Hilter once remarked that broccoli is good for you, would people throw that back at someone saying the same?
    - mandmandam 2y ago
      If Hitler then used that line to try and justify murdering millions of brussels sprout eaters, then yes. Otherwise you've missed the point by an almost impressive margin.
    - deleted 2y ago
      [deleted]
    - Symbiote 2y ago
      Hitler was vegetarian back when that was very unusual, and post-war the vegetarian movement in the UK was set back significantly as a result.
- CubsFan1060 2y ago
  https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/2024-election/trump-says-immigrants-are-poisoning-blood-country-biden-campaign-liken-rcna130141 https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/2024-election/trump-says-im...
- creato 2y ago
  > Are you going for irony? Obviously yes: https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/2024-election/trump-says-immigrants-are-poisoning-blood-country-biden-campaign-liken-rcna130141 https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/2024-election/trump-says-im...
- justin66 2y ago
  Congratulations on discovering the punchline.
shakiXBT 2y ago
Ignoring the issue and calling everyone nazi or fascist is precisely why the democrats lost today. Hey, at least you have 4 years to learn your lesson
- bagels 2y ago
  Calling out people who invoke Nazi themes doesn't make them more Nazi, nor does giving them a pass make them less so.
selfmodruntime 2y ago
There is nothing inherently "Nazi" about being anti-illegal immigration. 30 years ago the left stood for a lot of anti immigration rhetoric.
- bagels 2y ago
  Sure, but invoking Hitler's language while denigrating people from other countries is pretty Nazi though.
  - tzs 2y ago
    And when told that it sounded like something out of "Mein Kampf" Trump's response was that he had never read "Mein Kampf".
    - bagels 2y ago
      On the one hand, it's sort of believable that he would not engage with literature of any kind. On the other, he kept saying it after being informed that the phrase came from Hitler.
      - tzs 2y ago
        Yeah, it is astounding. When any reasonable person says something that might seem close to something Hitler says and is told about it, their reaction is to figure out how to re-express what they said more clearly so that it cannot be mistaken for agreeing with Hitler. Trump's reaction apparently is to want to make sure you know he didn't steal the idea from Hitler.

saulrh 2y ago

"Tens of millions" "coming in over the border"? Mexico only even has 120m people in the first place. What, you think that half of their population walked into Texas and bought a house in Dallas?

wordofx 2y ago
It’s not /only/ Mexicans crossing the border…
b112 2y ago
Even I, a Canadian, know that immigrants from all the way down to South America are streaming across the US border.
bertjk 2y ago
> From 2014 to 2020, migrants from outside Mexico and Central America — known as “extra-continentals” — accounted for 19 percent of immigration court cases. > In the last four years, those “extra-continentals” have risen to 53 percent of all court cases. They have arrived from countries such as India, China, Colombia and Mauritania. https://www.washingtonpost.com/immigration/interactive/2024/us-immigration-where-migrants-live/ https://www.washingtonpost.com/immigration/interactive/2024/...
- saulrh 2y ago
  Okay. Sure. Mexico only has 120m people. You think that a third of their population walked into Texas and bought a house in Dallas? A quarter? Hell, ten percent? Fine. I'll bring some of my own statistics. There might be ten million undocumented immigrants living in the United States total. There are fewer than half a million illegal border crossings a year; if the expected lifespan following an illegal border crossing is, I don't know, forty years, then it's obvious that the overwhelming majority of illegal border crossings don't convert to undocumented immigrants. These numbers are easily available on the relevant Wikipedia page: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Illegal_immigration_to_the_United_States https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Illegal_immigration_to_the_Uni..., which itself has extensive citations from a wide variety of sources. Saying that there are "tens of millions crossing the border" is clearly and blatantly incorrect. And, of course, that's not even getting into the real meat of the issue, that's just sarcastically calling out the surface-level lies. No, what I really want to say about illegal immigration is that undocumented immigrants commit fewer crimes than either documented immigrants or outright citizens, that they pay more taxes than they cost in government spending, that they do not affect job access or pay of legal residents, that they prevent offshoring, and that they contribute to GDP via spending and labor. Undocumented immigrants are, as far as I can tell, purely positive contributors to America at every level I look at, for the people working alongside them and going to school with them all the way up to the grandest statistics. If we truly wanted a healthy economy - if we wanted more citizens to have better jobs, if we wanted more money for education and healthcare, if we wanted less crime and less exploitation of labor - we would legalize all of them and invite more in after them.

benterix 2y ago

This has happened and is happening in Europe, too. Many people are coming in, some of them don't integrate and cause problems, the center says it's not a problem and the left says let's have more of them. More people are coming in, problems are getting worse (both real and imaginary), people are getting upset, the right realizes they can use that and they build their whole agenda or that and win the elections. The number of countries this has happened in increases, so non-right parties need to rethink their strategy if they want to stop losing.

Maken 2y ago
Europe is already rethinking it. Have you heard of Sahra Wagenknecht?
- selfmodruntime 2y ago
  Europe is currently experiencing a hard shift to the right because progressives keep lying and downplaying bad economy policies and illegal immigration. Yet somehow each party has their own scapegoat.
Symbiote 2y ago
Europe is able to change political course much more gradually: the EU is 27 countries, and the EU Parliament is elected with proportional voting systems which leads to coalitions and compromise. A 10% increase in 'right' votes means roughly 10% more influence for the 'right' opinions. In the USA, a tiny increase in 'right' votes means 100% more influence.

Dalewyn 2y ago

>Calling someone Hitler when they clearly aren't is also not going to help people support you especially AFTER he was president before and they experienced a presidency under him lol. One bigly reason I voted for Trump was because his first term was by far the most peaceful both this country and the world at-large ever was in my lifetime. For four years we didn't start or join any new wars, we even flat out refused to when the military industrial complex begged to Trump to start one with Iran after they shot down one of our drones. North Korea didn't fire a single missile and China wasn't anywhere as loud with their saber-rattling (I'm Japanese-American, I care deeply about Japanese security). Russia didn't invade Ukraine. Israel and Hamas/Hezbollah/et al. weren't brutally killing each other. For four god damn years life was actually peaceful, and I want that again.

dotancohen 2y ago
Warring Middle East nations signed more peace treaties under Trump than in any other time in modern history. Israel signed four peace treaties with Arab Nations under Trump.
korm 2y ago
> North Korea didn't fire a single missile https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_North_Korean_missile_tests https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_North_Korean_missile... > Russia didn't invade Ukraine Russia invaded in 2014 and the conflict stabilized (but didn't stop) in 2015. In the meantime, the Syrian civil war was raging on. Similarly, if we ignore all the events in the prelude to WW2, the world was a very peaceful place. According to Hoover, Roosevelt was a threat to world peace, not Hitler. I'm not implying anything with the analogy, I'm only trying to illustrate that the world was not peaceful between 2016 and 2020, despite the president's efforts. Perhaps if we had gotten 2 consecutive terms, it might have provided more long term stability.
girvo 2y ago
Er, Russia was already in Ukraine.

PunchTornado 2y ago

if Biden will sign a decree to welcome everyone and every migrant would be legal, people still won't like it. people want to reduce immigration, legal or illegal.