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What? I would love to hear how that's true (although voting is over), but I suspect it's not.

by mbg721 2y ago

watwut 2y ago
He literally said that. He said that if he wins, these are the last elections. He said that he wants to remove license to media that are critical of him. Trump said quite a lot. All it takes is to listen to what he is saying. And the other thing to listen to what his primary voters - conservative evangelical Christians were saying they want for years. It is literally ridiculous how these people are saying exactly what they want, then they literally do what they said they will do, again and again. But somehow, I am supposed to assume they don't mean it, this time for a change.
mlnj 2y ago
@mbg721, you seem to be willfully ignorant of anything this man has said and the dangers everyone is talking about. You seem to be completely missing any ideas on his policy and the changes he wants to being to the government and the democratic process. Please stop commenting "Where?", "What?", "How?" to everyone in the comments here. They do not add any value to the conversation.
- mbg721 2y ago
  I don't see any clear articulation of the dangers, other than that he's a convicted criminal, which I argue is for purely political reasons. Republican candidates have been labeled "HITLER 2" since Goldwater. I'm not cheerleading, but rather am trying to make policy arguments that add as much value as possible.
  - 50208 2y ago
    Oh no, not cheerleading ... just wanting to talk "policy", for purely political reasons. No doubt.
    - mbg721 2y ago
      Can you explain why his conviction is relevant? As it stands, the facts are that it was for hush-money paid to Stormy Daniels, but it's clearly viewed as political by voters. I would agree that it was a grave matter if his felony were an unrelated murder or something, but that's not the situation, and again, voters are not stupid.
      - mlnj 2y ago
        I believe you'd make the same excuses in his defense even if the conviction was for 'murder or something'. Everything from quoting Mein Kampf to praising Hitler's generals to using Nazi rhetoric has been done in the last few months. https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/2024-election/trump-says-immigrants-are-poisoning-blood-country-biden-campaign-liken-rcna130141 https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/2024-election/trump-says-im... https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2024/oct/27/trump-madison-square-garden-rally https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2024/oct/27/trump-madiso... But I've come to believe that folks like you will continue to make excuses no matter how low he stoops. "and again, voters are not stupid." Isn't it?
50208 2y ago
Just asking questions ... questions questions questions.
gushogg-blake 2y ago
https://x.com/Acyn/status/1817007890496102490 https://x.com/Acyn/status/1817007890496102490 According to Snopes[0] he claims he was urging Christians specifically (who don't usually vote in high numbers) to vote "just this time", then they wouldn't have to vote anymore for four more years, or something (which they wouldn't anyway...) He was definitely addressing Christians (he repeats it several times) but at the end of the video he says "[...] we'll have it fixed so good you're not gonna have to vote", which does sound a bit suspect to me, even in context and taking into account the fact that he's often loose with his choice of words and phrasing. [0]: https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/vote-four-years/ https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/vote-four-years/
- nwienert 2y ago
  Classic example of how the media and the uninformed combine to take him out of context / in bad faith. The absolutely true fact is that that statement had nothing, even so much as a hint of a dog whistle, to do with that you’re saying. Like not even a shred. He was speaking to a populace that doesn’t typically vote. So he’s saying that they can just vote this one election, because it’s important for them to for their own good. Then, he’s saying “just this once” because, again, they typically don’t vote. And again - after that he says “I’ll fix it so good you won’t have to again” - this is in reference to him fixing the government so well that they won’t need to vote again since it will be so well-functioning. By the way, this was my take originally, on first listen. It was reinforced further my listening to it again. It’s completely clearly the true take, and I think if you have trouble accepting that it’s because you’re disturbingly mislead by bias, probably not your own fault entirely, but undeniably so.
  - gushogg-blake 2y ago
    I agree that he probably wasn't talking about getting rid of voting altogether, but I'm still not sure on the logic of him getting the government into such good shape that Christians wouldn't need to vote anymore -- surely it would still be possible for the populace to vote in a terrible government that would undo all his improvements after his 4 years? But yeah, I suppose he could simply be saying that with his improvements, things would be stabilised and the stakes wouldn't be so high for the next election.

What? I would love to hear how that's true (although voting is over), but I suspect it's not.

by mbg721 2y ago

What? I would love to hear how that's true (although voting is over), but I suspect it's not.

He literally said that. He said that if he wins, these are the last elections. He said that he wants to remove license to media that are critical of him. Trump said quite a lot. All it takes is to listen to what he is saying. And the other thing to listen to what his primary voters - conservative evangelical Christians were saying they want for years. It is literally ridiculous how these people are saying exactly what they want, then they literally do what they said they will do, again and again. But somehow, I am supposed to assume they don't mean it, this time for a change.

mlnj 2y ago

@mbg721, you seem to be willfully ignorant of anything this man has said and the dangers everyone is talking about. You seem to be completely missing any ideas on his policy and the changes he wants to being to the government and the democratic process. Please stop commenting "Where?", "What?", "How?" to everyone in the comments here. They do not add any value to the conversation.

mbg721 2y ago
I don't see any clear articulation of the dangers, other than that he's a convicted criminal, which I argue is for purely political reasons. Republican candidates have been labeled "HITLER 2" since Goldwater. I'm not cheerleading, but rather am trying to make policy arguments that add as much value as possible.
- 50208 2y ago
  Oh no, not cheerleading ... just wanting to talk "policy", for purely political reasons. No doubt.
  - mbg721 2y ago
    Can you explain why his conviction is relevant? As it stands, the facts are that it was for hush-money paid to Stormy Daniels, but it's clearly viewed as political by voters. I would agree that it was a grave matter if his felony were an unrelated murder or something, but that's not the situation, and again, voters are not stupid.
    - mlnj 2y ago
      I believe you'd make the same excuses in his defense even if the conviction was for 'murder or something'. Everything from quoting Mein Kampf to praising Hitler's generals to using Nazi rhetoric has been done in the last few months. https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/2024-election/trump-says-immigrants-are-poisoning-blood-country-biden-campaign-liken-rcna130141 https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/2024-election/trump-says-im... https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2024/oct/27/trump-madison-square-garden-rally https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2024/oct/27/trump-madiso... But I've come to believe that folks like you will continue to make excuses no matter how low he stoops. "and again, voters are not stupid." Isn't it?

50208 2y ago

Just asking questions ... questions questions questions.

gushogg-blake 2y ago

https://x.com/Acyn/status/1817007890496102490 https://x.com/Acyn/status/1817007890496102490 According to Snopes[0] he claims he was urging Christians specifically (who don't usually vote in high numbers) to vote "just this time", then they wouldn't have to vote anymore for four more years, or something (which they wouldn't anyway...) He was definitely addressing Christians (he repeats it several times) but at the end of the video he says "[...] we'll have it fixed so good you're not gonna have to vote", which does sound a bit suspect to me, even in context and taking into account the fact that he's often loose with his choice of words and phrasing. [0]: https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/vote-four-years/ https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/vote-four-years/

nwienert 2y ago
Classic example of how the media and the uninformed combine to take him out of context / in bad faith. The absolutely true fact is that that statement had nothing, even so much as a hint of a dog whistle, to do with that you’re saying. Like not even a shred. He was speaking to a populace that doesn’t typically vote. So he’s saying that they can just vote this one election, because it’s important for them to for their own good. Then, he’s saying “just this once” because, again, they typically don’t vote. And again - after that he says “I’ll fix it so good you won’t have to again” - this is in reference to him fixing the government so well that they won’t need to vote again since it will be so well-functioning. By the way, this was my take originally, on first listen. It was reinforced further my listening to it again. It’s completely clearly the true take, and I think if you have trouble accepting that it’s because you’re disturbingly mislead by bias, probably not your own fault entirely, but undeniably so.
- gushogg-blake 2y ago
  I agree that he probably wasn't talking about getting rid of voting altogether, but I'm still not sure on the logic of him getting the government into such good shape that Christians wouldn't need to vote anymore -- surely it would still be possible for the populace to vote in a terrible government that would undo all his improvements after his 4 years? But yeah, I suppose he could simply be saying that with his improvements, things would be stabilised and the stakes wouldn't be so high for the next election.