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He tried to lead an insurrection four years ago. Has stated that if elected, you won't have to vote again. Has called for removal of broadcast licenses for the

by bagels 2y ago

He tried to lead an insurrection four years ago. Has stated that if elected, you won't have to vote again. Has called for removal of broadcast licenses for the press. Has said he'd be pleased if the press were murdered.

richard___ 2y ago
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innocentoldguy 2y ago
The Trump-hating FBI disagrees with you. https://www.reuters.com/world/us/exclusive-fbi-finds-scant-evidence-us-capitol-attack-was-coordinated-sources-2021-08-20/ https://www.reuters.com/world/us/exclusive-fbi-finds-scant-e...
- manquer 2y ago
  > Trump-hating FBI disagrees I think citation needed here that FBI or any law enforcement agency for that matter is anti-trump. If anything given their deep racial history not that long ago, I would characterize them as very pro trump.
  - innocentoldguy 2y ago
    Schmidt, M. S. (2018, June 14). Top Agent Said F.B.I. Would Stop Trump From Becoming President. The New York Times. Also, whistleblowers within the FBI have come forward in recent years to: • Accuse Timothy Thibault of running cover on Hunter Biden's laptop. • Accuse the FBI of manipulating case files to inflate the domestic threat perception towards conservatives. • Accuse leaders within the FBI of "weaponizing" the agency against conservatives. • Complain about retaliation when raising concerns about these and other instances of bias and misconduct. Isn't this common knowledge?
- bagels 2y ago
  That is a narrow finding.
- drusepth 2y ago
  What makes you think the FBI hates Trump?
cpursley 2y ago
This is exactly what Elon was talking about how so many people still believe the multitude of hoaxes which have been thoroughly and objectively disproved. It’s as if people were OK with just going with the original drive-by media headline and never looking into the details or following up.
- bagels 2y ago
  None of these are hoaxes. Did you look in to the fake elector plot, which people have pled guilty to? I think a lot of people give Trump benefit of doubt when he says these things, but he literally said them.
- Paradigma11 2y ago
  So explain to me how it would have played out if Pence would have gone along with the fake elector plot? Aside from Trump not many people deny Biden won 2020. How would Biden have become president?
huhkerrf 2y ago
I hate when people make me defend Trump. The "you won't have to vote again" was clearly him saying that he didn't care if the people vote again, because it won't benefit him. He didn't say that he'd be pleased if the press was murdered, in those words. Though I agree that what he said was awful. This is the thing about Trump. He says things that are dumb or incendiary, then his opponents make it sound 100x. Then people who aren't terminally online see it and think, "is that all there is?" and it makes them think that he's not that bad, ignoring the actual bad things he's saying.
- bagels 2y ago
  These are actual bad things to say, but yes, there are worse that he's said. I agree that he says incendiary things, but he is also a poor communicator and so he says provocative things that are left ambiguous. "I love you Christians. I'm a Christian. I love you, get out, you gotta get out and vote. In four years, you don't have to vote again, we'll have it fixed so good you're not going to have to vote,". What does he mean by "have it fixed"? Have the elections fixed? It's hard to imagine what else he can fix so that people won't have to vote anymore. “I have this piece of glass here,” Trump said. “But all we have really over here is the fake news, right? And to get me, somebody would have to shoot through the fake news. And I don’t mind that so much,” Trump said. “I don’t mind. I don’t mind.” Yes, he didn't literally say "pleased" he said "I don't mind". Barely a difference when discussing the finer points of whether someone should murder the press.
  - richard___ 2y ago
    It’s hard to imagine? He obviously means fix the government. You are seriously sounding deranged
kernal 2y ago
>He tried to lead an insurrection four years ago. Has stated that if elected, you won't have to vote again. Has called for removal of broadcast licenses for the press. Has said he'd be pleased if the press were murdered. The rhetoric and lies you've repeatedly said about Trump is exactly the reason your party was so soundly rejected in the landslide electoral college, the popular vote, the senate, and the house. Your lies and hoaxes don't work anymore.
- bagels 2y ago
  It's not my party, I just think Trump is uniquely unqualified for office.
- bagels 2y ago
  I don't think I've lied about anything. “The central cause of January 6th was one man, former President Donald Trump, who many others followed,” reads the report. “None of the events of January 6th would have happened without him.” ... lying about having evidence of voter fraud to the public, repeatedly, then inviting supporters to the ellipse with "Big protest in D.C. on January 6th. Be there, will be wild!", telling the crowd that they need to "fight like hell" otherwise they were "not going to have a country anymore" (yes, the refrain of his apologists is that he also the word peacefully, but that was an outlier in the hours of speeches given that day), and inviting the crowd to march to the capitol with him (though he stayed at the White House), followed by a complete dereliction of duty to intervene, and more tellingly, instead calling senators. There's a lot more. "I love you Christians. I'm a Christian. I love you, get out, you gotta get out and vote. In four years, you don't have to vote again, we'll have it fixed so good you're not going to have to vote,". Like many things he says, he is really unclear on exactly what he means, but he did literally say "you don't have to vote again". “I have this piece of glass here,” Trump said. “But all we have really over here is the fake news, right? And to get me, somebody would have to shoot through the fake news. And I don’t mind that so much,” Trump said. “I don’t mind. I don’t mind.” "60 Minutes should be immediately taken off the air [for] election interference. CBS should lose its license. This is the biggest scandal in broadcast history,”

by bagels 2y ago

richard___ 2y ago

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innocentoldguy 2y ago

The Trump-hating FBI disagrees with you. https://www.reuters.com/world/us/exclusive-fbi-finds-scant-evidence-us-capitol-attack-was-coordinated-sources-2021-08-20/ https://www.reuters.com/world/us/exclusive-fbi-finds-scant-e...

manquer 2y ago
> Trump-hating FBI disagrees I think citation needed here that FBI or any law enforcement agency for that matter is anti-trump. If anything given their deep racial history not that long ago, I would characterize them as very pro trump.
- innocentoldguy 2y ago
  Schmidt, M. S. (2018, June 14). Top Agent Said F.B.I. Would Stop Trump From Becoming President. The New York Times. Also, whistleblowers within the FBI have come forward in recent years to: • Accuse Timothy Thibault of running cover on Hunter Biden's laptop. • Accuse the FBI of manipulating case files to inflate the domestic threat perception towards conservatives. • Accuse leaders within the FBI of "weaponizing" the agency against conservatives. • Complain about retaliation when raising concerns about these and other instances of bias and misconduct. Isn't this common knowledge?
bagels 2y ago
That is a narrow finding.
drusepth 2y ago
What makes you think the FBI hates Trump?

cpursley 2y ago

This is exactly what Elon was talking about how so many people still believe the multitude of hoaxes which have been thoroughly and objectively disproved. It’s as if people were OK with just going with the original drive-by media headline and never looking into the details or following up.

bagels 2y ago
None of these are hoaxes. Did you look in to the fake elector plot, which people have pled guilty to? I think a lot of people give Trump benefit of doubt when he says these things, but he literally said them.
Paradigma11 2y ago
So explain to me how it would have played out if Pence would have gone along with the fake elector plot? Aside from Trump not many people deny Biden won 2020. How would Biden have become president?

huhkerrf 2y ago

I hate when people make me defend Trump. The "you won't have to vote again" was clearly him saying that he didn't care if the people vote again, because it won't benefit him. He didn't say that he'd be pleased if the press was murdered, in those words. Though I agree that what he said was awful. This is the thing about Trump. He says things that are dumb or incendiary, then his opponents make it sound 100x. Then people who aren't terminally online see it and think, "is that all there is?" and it makes them think that he's not that bad, ignoring the actual bad things he's saying.

bagels 2y ago
These are actual bad things to say, but yes, there are worse that he's said. I agree that he says incendiary things, but he is also a poor communicator and so he says provocative things that are left ambiguous. "I love you Christians. I'm a Christian. I love you, get out, you gotta get out and vote. In four years, you don't have to vote again, we'll have it fixed so good you're not going to have to vote,". What does he mean by "have it fixed"? Have the elections fixed? It's hard to imagine what else he can fix so that people won't have to vote anymore. “I have this piece of glass here,” Trump said. “But all we have really over here is the fake news, right? And to get me, somebody would have to shoot through the fake news. And I don’t mind that so much,” Trump said. “I don’t mind. I don’t mind.” Yes, he didn't literally say "pleased" he said "I don't mind". Barely a difference when discussing the finer points of whether someone should murder the press.
- richard___ 2y ago
  It’s hard to imagine? He obviously means fix the government. You are seriously sounding deranged

kernal 2y ago

>He tried to lead an insurrection four years ago. Has stated that if elected, you won't have to vote again. Has called for removal of broadcast licenses for the press. Has said he'd be pleased if the press were murdered. The rhetoric and lies you've repeatedly said about Trump is exactly the reason your party was so soundly rejected in the landslide electoral college, the popular vote, the senate, and the house. Your lies and hoaxes don't work anymore.

bagels 2y ago
It's not my party, I just think Trump is uniquely unqualified for office.
bagels 2y ago
I don't think I've lied about anything. “The central cause of January 6th was one man, former President Donald Trump, who many others followed,” reads the report. “None of the events of January 6th would have happened without him.” ... lying about having evidence of voter fraud to the public, repeatedly, then inviting supporters to the ellipse with "Big protest in D.C. on January 6th. Be there, will be wild!", telling the crowd that they need to "fight like hell" otherwise they were "not going to have a country anymore" (yes, the refrain of his apologists is that he also the word peacefully, but that was an outlier in the hours of speeches given that day), and inviting the crowd to march to the capitol with him (though he stayed at the White House), followed by a complete dereliction of duty to intervene, and more tellingly, instead calling senators. There's a lot more. "I love you Christians. I'm a Christian. I love you, get out, you gotta get out and vote. In four years, you don't have to vote again, we'll have it fixed so good you're not going to have to vote,". Like many things he says, he is really unclear on exactly what he means, but he did literally say "you don't have to vote again". “I have this piece of glass here,” Trump said. “But all we have really over here is the fake news, right? And to get me, somebody would have to shoot through the fake news. And I don’t mind that so much,” Trump said. “I don’t mind. I don’t mind.” "60 Minutes should be immediately taken off the air [for] election interference. CBS should lose its license. This is the biggest scandal in broadcast history,”