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The message is the same even for non-America - we need to engage with these folks and stop disparaging them. We need to talk to them, we need to understand wher
by CodinM 2y ago
The message is the same even for non-America - we need to engage with these folks and stop disparaging them. We need to talk to them, we need to understand where they're coming from, we need to help clear the air between "us and them" so that there won't be an "us and them" and so we can _together_ avoid people that tell us what we want to hear.
- stavros 2y agoThat's not what the GP means, the popular vote is likely to be for the Democrats, as has happened basically every election. It's only because of the electoral college system that Republicans win the presidency.
- Tainnor 2y agoThe current results are unfortunately such a blowout that Trump may very well be winning the popular vote. I guess this is what OP was referring to.
- stavros 2y agoAh interesting, I don't know enough about which states do what. Is it not at the point where the states we knew the results of have been tallied, and the swing states are still unknown?
- verisimi 2y ago[flagged]
- DeathArrow 2y agoBut they do have free elections.
- verisimi 2y agoYes - they are free to vote, and the electoral college then selects who they put their votes towards to represent the voters, which is in line with the majority voting sentiment.
- vote4felon 2y agoI would respectfully suggest you check the results before commenting, but I know reading TFA isn’t all that popular anymore. Trump is currently leading by over 5,000,000 votes and there does not appear to be momentum to change that lead in the remaining precincts.
- ookblah 2y agoI bought that line in 2016 and again in 2020. I'm not saying I'm done with trying to understand, but that level of fks to give is very minimal now. Obviously, I don't think 50% of the population is stupid, but every time I try to "understand" it's becoming increasingly clear it's about his "charisma" and "our team" and less about hard policies. People out here voting against their own interests or blaming things on ignorance (inflation, etc.).
- XenophileJKO 2y agoI think the lesson is you can't win an election with "Well they aren't like the other guy.."
- TheCoelacanth 2y agoAlso can't win with substantive policies or personal integrity either, so what's left?
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- EricDeb 2y agoShe didnt explain why inflation happened. She didnt explain why dems did not crack down on the border until right wingers made an issue out of it. She didnt distance herself from biden. She didnt explain how she would protect abortion rights. I wanted her to win but she didnt have answers or her messaging was not getting through
- a1j9o94 2y agoInflation: "inflation has come down over the last two years, a lot of it has been from the healing of the supply side of the economy. What is that? Supply chains have improved. The labor force has expanded, partly due to increased immigration, and that's helped to take some of the edge off of the supply-and-demand imbalances that we had when inflation was very high two years ago." https://www.pbs.org/newshour/show/examining-how-economic-plans-from-trump-and-harris-could-affect-inflation https://www.pbs.org/newshour/show/examining-how-economic-pla... Immigration: "After hitting a record high in December 2023, the numbers of migrants crossing the border has plummeted since then. Harris and the administration have credited their tough anti-asylum measures for stemming the flow, although increased enforcement on the Mexican side has also played a key role." https://www.ap.org/news-highlights/elections/2024/where-trump-and-harris-stand-on-immigration-and-border-security/ https://www.ap.org/news-highlights/elections/2024/where-trum... Abortion rights: "At one of her first campaign events, she stated that if Congress “passes a law to restore reproductive freedom, as president of the United States I will sign it into law.”" https://www.aclu.org/news/reproductive-freedom/how-kamala-harris-can-secure-federal-abortion-protection-once-and-for-all https://www.aclu.org/news/reproductive-freedom/how-kamala-ha... If you don't like what her positions are that's your prerogative but it's just not true that she did not have answers to these questions.
- watwut 2y agoMeh, it is clear where they care coming from and they talk quite clearly. What we need to do is to stop like naïve Pollyanna's, stop relying on fact checks, stop pretending "both sides are equal" and engage with dirty fight they do.
- Tainnor 2y agoWhat "dirty fight" are you envisioning? Prosecuting Trump in court doesn't appear to work and is disparaged as "lawfare". Biden calling Trump voters trash apparently backfires, but nothing Trump or his campaign says ever backfires.
- watwut 2y agoProsecuting Trump in court is not dirty fight. It is something that should have happen, because being politician should not mean being lawless. I envision actual politicians and journalists calling trump what he is more rather then less.
- rob74 2y ago> politician should not mean being lawless Well, the US Supreme Court decided more or less exactly that presidents can break the law and get away with it: https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/czrrv8yg3nvo https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/czrrv8yg3nvo And "calling him what he is" has so far failed to sway his supporters, I don't see how it will do it now. OTOH, he (probably?) won't stand for election again, so the point is probably moot...
- watwut 2y agoDemocratic party goes out of its way to look center, be accommodating and non confrontial. It just does not work. I stand by "politician should not mean being lawless". US Supreme Court being pro lawless when it comes to GOP is just politics of US Supreme Court. It does not mean law should not matter or that trying to apply law is fighting dirty.
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- card_zero 2y agoI was just thinking the exact opposite, maybe the US needs to split into two nations. I was drawing border lines in my mind around central regions and wondering how things would pan out if they seceded. The lack of geographic continuity would be a problem for the coasts, but perhaps they could join Canada.
- sixothree 2y ago[flagged]
- roenxi 2y agoThe Joye of Ye Taxes is that you cannot choose to stop paying them just because of a disagreement about how they are spent. Elections need to be won first.
- verisimi 2y agoDidn't the south try this, before being forced back into the "union"?
- card_zero 2y agoTrue, that was an awkward episode. Now you've got me reading about the motivations for the civil war. I mean obviously slavery, but why go to war rather than let the Confederacy be a separate nation? Seems the fighting was over the political future of yet-to-be Arizona, New Mexico and Oklahoma (if I've got the right territories there), and whether they would have slavery, once populated.
- themaninthedark 2y agoBecause the south decided to start shooting up Federal Forts and killing tax collectors.
- ncruces 2y agoTry splitting Georgia, where Harris wins a few populous counties with a 30 to 70 pp margin, and Trump leads the lump of smaller counties with a 30 to 70 pp margin. They reelected the DA that's prosecuting Trump on one of the populous counties, on the same election where the state swung further towards Trump.
- astrange 2y agoYou're losing if you write like this, because this is liberal/left wing writing. If the voters prioritize strength and machismo, you should be insulting them even more. They don't mind, they'll just assume it's about someone else.
- djtango 2y agoYes and the media needs to stop being so obviously biased because it both undermines their role as the arbiters of truth and it undermines the party they allegedly want to win I liked this podcast from Zachary Elwood: https://open.spotify.com/episode/5DYBm6we1WcTtktFpqHj7K?si=As4OdKQERiq7UsMfZjW5LQ https://open.spotify.com/episode/5DYBm6we1WcTtktFpqHj7K?si=A...
- Bost 2y agoWe need to understand that such people want to be distracted and entertained. Give them the show they want, promise them something and they happily make you their king. They don't ask you to fulfill the promises. They just want to hear them. That's it.