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For someone who doesn't follow US politics that closely (yes, we exist), in what way has he made it clear that he wants to dismantle democratic institutions? An

by scbrg 2y ago

For someone who doesn't follow US politics that closely (yes, we exist), in what way has he made it clear that he wants to dismantle democratic institutions? Any concrete examples?

EdwardDiego 2y ago
Can the President commit crimes with impunity is pretty anti-democratic. Unless you think Robert Mugabe was democratic?
- mbg721 2y ago
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  - sumo89 2y ago
    Are you forgetting the whole removing classified documents and storing them in your club house thing?
    - mbg721 2y ago
      You mean his sports car?
  - junon 2y ago
    You mean the valid prosecution of crimes Trump committed, for which he was tried and convicted?
  - bagels 2y ago
    Those are only the crimes that have been committed and charged so far. Asking for and being granted immunity, retroactively, is pretty undemocratic. There are more crimes on their way.
bagels 2y ago
He tried to lead an insurrection four years ago. Has stated that if elected, you won't have to vote again. Has called for removal of broadcast licenses for the press. Has said he'd be pleased if the press were murdered.
- richard___ 2y ago
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- innocentoldguy 2y ago
  The Trump-hating FBI disagrees with you. https://www.reuters.com/world/us/exclusive-fbi-finds-scant-evidence-us-capitol-attack-was-coordinated-sources-2021-08-20/ https://www.reuters.com/world/us/exclusive-fbi-finds-scant-e...
  - manquer 2y ago
    > Trump-hating FBI disagrees I think citation needed here that FBI or any law enforcement agency for that matter is anti-trump. If anything given their deep racial history not that long ago, I would characterize them as very pro trump.
    - innocentoldguy 2y ago
      Schmidt, M. S. (2018, June 14). Top Agent Said F.B.I. Would Stop Trump From Becoming President. The New York Times. Also, whistleblowers within the FBI have come forward in recent years to: • Accuse Timothy Thibault of running cover on Hunter Biden's laptop. • Accuse the FBI of manipulating case files to inflate the domestic threat perception towards conservatives. • Accuse leaders within the FBI of "weaponizing" the agency against conservatives. • Complain about retaliation when raising concerns about these and other instances of bias and misconduct. Isn't this common knowledge?
  - bagels 2y ago
    That is a narrow finding.
  - 2y ago
bloomingkales 2y ago
None really. He’s pissed about his court cases and wants to investigate or appoint new judges. People that believe in the dictator narrative don’t appreciate the limits of the Executive branch. Every executive order can get erased wholesale by the next President, and Trump only has 4 years. We’ll live.
- selimthegrim 2y ago
  Kindly review the new definition of “official acts”
- bagels 2y ago
  That's best case scenario. He's a criminal with newly granted immunity. It's going to be worse than last time.
  - bloomingkales 2y ago
    I don’t know, I guess? If you want to, you can hold just about any president under some criminal wrong doing. For whatever reason (certainly not political) we really needed to go after his overvaluing of real estate, and asking of recounts in a close election (why would he ever think a recount is worth it, it’s not like he could win the popular vote and all swing states). In retrospect, one could actually now make the argument that his hunch was right in questioning such a narrow election with an unprecedented voting pattern (Covid era mail in, it was quite new). I do sit here in awe and find myself saying “hmm, maybe he did have 25,000 votes somewhere this whole time, sure as hell found them tonight”. Makes you wonder. He’s gonna do his tit for tat because he’s a simple man, not a great one, and certainly not an epic dictator. I’m not defending him, I just think the grand dictator spin has always been nutty.
thefounder 2y ago
He could try to do something like Putin and extend the limit of 2 terms (just to keep America Great a bit more)and later declare himself dictator for life like Xi Jinping. You could look at Hitler as example how to become absolute dictator. “ news is that at the end of 6 years, after America has been made GREAT again and I leave the beautiful White House (do you think the people would demand that I stay longer? KEEP AMERICA GREAT), both of these horrible papers will quickly go out of business & be forever gone! “ https://x.com/realDonaldTrump/status/1140252528304631808 https://x.com/realDonaldTrump/status/1140252528304631808
- TrackerFF 2y ago
  On the positive side, Americans are nowhere near as politically apathetic as Russians are, nor have they grown up under a single-party rule their whole loves, as the Chinese have. Not saying that this won't stop MAGA from trying - but at least there's a cultural element to this, that will stop the American people from just folding over and accepting dictatorship.
  - 50208 2y ago
    And they'll do ... what? Keep watching football, scroll their phones? Pick up a burrito at Chipotle? The new Russian model of disaffection can (and is) working just fine in the US.
    - nmeagent 2y ago
      They'll write several angry comments to social media, then retire to the couch after a job well done.
- machiaweliczny 2y ago
  There’s a reason that US has gun rights in constitution and it’s dems that want to take it away. It’s interesting tradeoff that should in theory protect from tyranny. It’s interesting what would happen in Russia if majority of population had guns.
Tainnor 2y ago
In 2020, he told his then vice president Mike Pence not to certify the electoral vote count which gave Joe Biden the victory in the presidential race. Pence ignored this order. Had he not done so, it would have meant a constitutional crisis at the very least.
bdcp 2y ago
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trump_fake_electors_plot https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trump_fake_electors_plot It's a crazy read
dragonwriter 2y ago
What he has actually been mroe explicit about wanting to dismantle (and what his faction has made considerable progress dismantling in his favor already) is not as much “democratic institutions” as “the rule of law”, though his most dramatic failed attempt to dismantle that was also directed at democratic institutions (the set of schemes including the false electors gambit, attempte to get the VP to reject proper electoral votes, and instigating the mob attack on the capitol when it was clear the VP would not do so.)
50208 2y ago
SCBRG ... you should seriously be ashamed of yourself.
LunaSea 2y ago
Being a traitor working for Russia might be one of them

by scbrg 2y ago

For someone who doesn't follow US politics that closely (yes, we exist), in what way has he made it clear that he wants to dismantle democratic institutions? Any concrete examples?

EdwardDiego 2y ago

Can the President commit crimes with impunity is pretty anti-democratic. Unless you think Robert Mugabe was democratic?

mbg721 2y ago
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- sumo89 2y ago
  Are you forgetting the whole removing classified documents and storing them in your club house thing?
  - mbg721 2y ago
    You mean his sports car?
- junon 2y ago
  You mean the valid prosecution of crimes Trump committed, for which he was tried and convicted?
- bagels 2y ago
  Those are only the crimes that have been committed and charged so far. Asking for and being granted immunity, retroactively, is pretty undemocratic. There are more crimes on their way.

bagels 2y ago

He tried to lead an insurrection four years ago. Has stated that if elected, you won't have to vote again. Has called for removal of broadcast licenses for the press. Has said he'd be pleased if the press were murdered.

richard___ 2y ago
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innocentoldguy 2y ago
The Trump-hating FBI disagrees with you. https://www.reuters.com/world/us/exclusive-fbi-finds-scant-evidence-us-capitol-attack-was-coordinated-sources-2021-08-20/ https://www.reuters.com/world/us/exclusive-fbi-finds-scant-e...
- manquer 2y ago
  > Trump-hating FBI disagrees I think citation needed here that FBI or any law enforcement agency for that matter is anti-trump. If anything given their deep racial history not that long ago, I would characterize them as very pro trump.
  - innocentoldguy 2y ago
    Schmidt, M. S. (2018, June 14). Top Agent Said F.B.I. Would Stop Trump From Becoming President. The New York Times. Also, whistleblowers within the FBI have come forward in recent years to: • Accuse Timothy Thibault of running cover on Hunter Biden's laptop. • Accuse the FBI of manipulating case files to inflate the domestic threat perception towards conservatives. • Accuse leaders within the FBI of "weaponizing" the agency against conservatives. • Complain about retaliation when raising concerns about these and other instances of bias and misconduct. Isn't this common knowledge?
- bagels 2y ago
  That is a narrow finding.
- 2y ago

bloomingkales 2y ago

None really. He’s pissed about his court cases and wants to investigate or appoint new judges. People that believe in the dictator narrative don’t appreciate the limits of the Executive branch. Every executive order can get erased wholesale by the next President, and Trump only has 4 years. We’ll live.

selimthegrim 2y ago
Kindly review the new definition of “official acts”
bagels 2y ago
That's best case scenario. He's a criminal with newly granted immunity. It's going to be worse than last time.
- bloomingkales 2y ago
  I don’t know, I guess? If you want to, you can hold just about any president under some criminal wrong doing. For whatever reason (certainly not political) we really needed to go after his overvaluing of real estate, and asking of recounts in a close election (why would he ever think a recount is worth it, it’s not like he could win the popular vote and all swing states). In retrospect, one could actually now make the argument that his hunch was right in questioning such a narrow election with an unprecedented voting pattern (Covid era mail in, it was quite new). I do sit here in awe and find myself saying “hmm, maybe he did have 25,000 votes somewhere this whole time, sure as hell found them tonight”. Makes you wonder. He’s gonna do his tit for tat because he’s a simple man, not a great one, and certainly not an epic dictator. I’m not defending him, I just think the grand dictator spin has always been nutty.

thefounder 2y ago

He could try to do something like Putin and extend the limit of 2 terms (just to keep America Great a bit more)and later declare himself dictator for life like Xi Jinping. You could look at Hitler as example how to become absolute dictator. “ news is that at the end of 6 years, after America has been made GREAT again and I leave the beautiful White House (do you think the people would demand that I stay longer? KEEP AMERICA GREAT), both of these horrible papers will quickly go out of business & be forever gone! “ https://x.com/realDonaldTrump/status/1140252528304631808 https://x.com/realDonaldTrump/status/1140252528304631808

TrackerFF 2y ago
On the positive side, Americans are nowhere near as politically apathetic as Russians are, nor have they grown up under a single-party rule their whole loves, as the Chinese have. Not saying that this won't stop MAGA from trying - but at least there's a cultural element to this, that will stop the American people from just folding over and accepting dictatorship.
- 50208 2y ago
  And they'll do ... what? Keep watching football, scroll their phones? Pick up a burrito at Chipotle? The new Russian model of disaffection can (and is) working just fine in the US.
  - nmeagent 2y ago
    They'll write several angry comments to social media, then retire to the couch after a job well done.
machiaweliczny 2y ago
There’s a reason that US has gun rights in constitution and it’s dems that want to take it away. It’s interesting tradeoff that should in theory protect from tyranny. It’s interesting what would happen in Russia if majority of population had guns.

Tainnor 2y ago

In 2020, he told his then vice president Mike Pence not to certify the electoral vote count which gave Joe Biden the victory in the presidential race. Pence ignored this order. Had he not done so, it would have meant a constitutional crisis at the very least.

bdcp 2y ago

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trump_fake_electors_plot https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trump_fake_electors_plot It's a crazy read

dragonwriter 2y ago

What he has actually been mroe explicit about wanting to dismantle (and what his faction has made considerable progress dismantling in his favor already) is not as much “democratic institutions” as “the rule of law”, though his most dramatic failed attempt to dismantle that was also directed at democratic institutions (the set of schemes including the false electors gambit, attempte to get the VP to reject proper electoral votes, and instigating the mob attack on the capitol when it was clear the VP would not do so.)

50208 2y ago

SCBRG ... you should seriously be ashamed of yourself.

LunaSea 2y ago

Being a traitor working for Russia might be one of them