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> Is it? At this point I’ve driven electric Audis and BMWs, VWs, Kia’s and also BYDs. The real problem is that legacy car makers’ EVs are all high-mid/luxury c

> Is it? At this point I’ve driven electric Audis and BMWs, VWs, Kia’s and also BYDs. The real problem is that legacy car makers’ EVs are all high-mid/luxury cars. People just want a Honda Civic that takes them from point A to point B.

oarsinsync 2y ago
Like a VW eGolf or a Vauxhall / Opel eCorsa?
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- brtkdotse 2y ago
  They both cost in the same ball park as a Tesla Model Y. They are not affordable cars by any stretch of the imagination.
- JTyQZSnP3cQGa8B 2y ago
  The eGolf costs 40k€ in France. 4 times more expensive than my car. It’s a luxury car, not for poor people.
  - fransje26 2y ago
    If the price of a new base clio starts at 20k€ and a Fiat panda at 15k€, than 40k€ is around the correct ballpark price for an eGolf I would argue, relatively speaking. We could considered the Chinese cars as cheap, but we are than comparing the cost of a price-dumped car from China, to a slightly overpriced car from Germany. The outlier here is considering a 10k€ car something normal. 10 years ago I would have argued yes, but after the inflation wave of the last few years, that is no longer a reality. The problem for many consumers, and France is a good example of this, is that the salaries haven't followed. The second problem for France is that a large part of the population is stuck in minimum-wage or close to minimum-wage salaries, putting those goods out of reach as their prices increase with inflation. (Leaving the debate about whether the price increase is the cause or the consequence of inflation aside)
    - Sakos 2y ago
      > than 40k€ is around the correct ballpark price for an eGolf I would argue, relatively speaking. Only if these cars are only intended for the affluent. Then sure. It's totally the right place for them. But I thought the point of EVs was saving our environment. What's the point if only a small fraction of any given population can afford one?
admksx45v65uqpw 2y ago
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moooo99 2y ago
I know the VW ID3 got a lot of critique early on. But after seeing a lot of reviews I got the chance to test drive a newer model myself and it is a pretty cool car all things considered. Granted, we're still looking at a 35k MSRP, but in the EV space that is a relatively entry level vehicle. The Renault Megane E Tech is a also a pretty cool vehicle hitting the same pricepoint (haven't driven that one yet tho). Citroen is also hitting very accessible pricepoints with their E3 starting at 23k MSRP
r00fus 2y ago
Car companies did make some compliance cars (I own one - Ford Focus 2017) and honestly it's a great city car. My wife prefers it to our more expensive SUV EV. In addition to the spark EV, Fiat 500 EV, etc these are all no longer sold here. You might be able to pick one up used.

oarsinsync 2y ago

Like a VW eGolf or a Vauxhall / Opel eCorsa?

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brtkdotse 2y ago
They both cost in the same ball park as a Tesla Model Y. They are not affordable cars by any stretch of the imagination.
JTyQZSnP3cQGa8B 2y ago
The eGolf costs 40k€ in France. 4 times more expensive than my car. It’s a luxury car, not for poor people.
- fransje26 2y ago
  If the price of a new base clio starts at 20k€ and a Fiat panda at 15k€, than 40k€ is around the correct ballpark price for an eGolf I would argue, relatively speaking. We could considered the Chinese cars as cheap, but we are than comparing the cost of a price-dumped car from China, to a slightly overpriced car from Germany. The outlier here is considering a 10k€ car something normal. 10 years ago I would have argued yes, but after the inflation wave of the last few years, that is no longer a reality. The problem for many consumers, and France is a good example of this, is that the salaries haven't followed. The second problem for France is that a large part of the population is stuck in minimum-wage or close to minimum-wage salaries, putting those goods out of reach as their prices increase with inflation. (Leaving the debate about whether the price increase is the cause or the consequence of inflation aside)
  - Sakos 2y ago
    > than 40k€ is around the correct ballpark price for an eGolf I would argue, relatively speaking. Only if these cars are only intended for the affluent. Then sure. It's totally the right place for them. But I thought the point of EVs was saving our environment. What's the point if only a small fraction of any given population can afford one?

admksx45v65uqpw 2y ago

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moooo99 2y ago

I know the VW ID3 got a lot of critique early on. But after seeing a lot of reviews I got the chance to test drive a newer model myself and it is a pretty cool car all things considered. Granted, we're still looking at a 35k MSRP, but in the EV space that is a relatively entry level vehicle. The Renault Megane E Tech is a also a pretty cool vehicle hitting the same pricepoint (haven't driven that one yet tho). Citroen is also hitting very accessible pricepoints with their E3 starting at 23k MSRP

r00fus 2y ago

Car companies did make some compliance cars (I own one - Ford Focus 2017) and honestly it's a great city car. My wife prefers it to our more expensive SUV EV. In addition to the spark EV, Fiat 500 EV, etc these are all no longer sold here. You might be able to pick one up used.